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26-08-2021, 05:59 PM
#721
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
bornadog
26 to 50
26 |
Tom De Koning |
Blues |
13 |
32 v GWS, Round 23 |
16.85 |
27 |
Paul Hunter |
Saints |
7 |
16 v Fremantle, Round 23 |
16.00 |
28 |
Timothy English |
Bulldogs |
18 |
1 v Port Adelaide, Round 23 |
15.61 |
29 |
Lloyd Meek |
Dockers |
9 |
27 v St Kilda, Round 23 |
14.22 |
30 |
Peter Ladhams |
Power |
15 |
5 v Western Bulldogs, Round 23 |
13.40 |
31 |
Mark Blicavs |
Cats |
21 |
5 v Melbourne, Round 23 |
12.33 |
32 |
Mabior Chol |
Tigers |
10 |
4 v Hawthorn, Round 23 |
12.30 |
33 |
Tom Campbell |
Kangaroos |
9 |
7 v Richmond, Round 21 |
10.78 |
34 |
Luke Jackson |
Demons |
21 |
7 v Geelong, Round 23 |
10.24 |
35 |
Nathan Vardy |
Eagles |
9 |
7 v Brisbane, Round 23 |
10.22 |
36 |
Peter Wright |
Bombers |
20 |
3 v Collingwood, Round 23 |
9.80 |
37 |
Chris Burgess |
Suns |
19 |
9 v Sydney, Round 23 |
9.32 |
38 |
Bailey Williams |
Eagles |
6 |
8 v Adelaide, Round 18 |
8.33 |
39 |
Joel Amartey |
Swans |
6 |
13 v GWS, Round 18 |
8.17 |
40 |
Sam Reid |
Swans |
10 |
2 v North Melbourne, Round 22 |
7.70 |
41 |
Callum Coleman-Jones |
Tigers |
8 |
12 v Hawthorn, Round 23 |
7.62 |
42 |
Tristan Xerri |
Kangaroos |
8 |
8 v Geelong, Round 20 |
7.38 |
43 |
Caleb Graham |
Suns |
12 |
7 v Brisbane, Round 19 |
6.83 |
44 |
Darcy Cameron |
Magpies |
18 |
4 v Essendon, Round 23 |
6.72 |
45 |
Esava Ratugolea |
Cats |
13 |
6 v St Kilda, Round 22 |
6.54 |
46 |
Lewis Young |
Bulldogs |
7 |
13 v Port Adelaide, Round 23 |
6.29 |
47 |
Levi Casboult |
Blues |
13 |
10 v GWS, Round 23 |
6.08 |
48 |
Charlie Dixon |
Power |
22 |
6 v Western Bulldogs, Round 23 |
4.27 |
49 |
Rory Lobb |
Dockers |
13 |
0 v Geelong, Round 18 |
4.15 |
The fact that English is just about the only 'main ruck' on this list is deeply concerning.
Probably also says Ladhams isn't what we need.
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26-08-2021, 06:02 PM
#722
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
The Bulldogs Bite
The fact that English is just about the only 'main ruck' on this list is deeply concerning.
Probably also says Ladhams isn't what we need.
You may be right about Ladhams, but he has Lycett take the bulk of the work. Timmy has been the main man for the past few months.
Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.
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26-08-2021, 07:35 PM
#723
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
The Bulldogs Bite
That's what I was looking for.
Looking at some of those names ON the list and the fact that English isn't even on it .... well, Tim, that's bloody awful.
It's hyper weird. He's what, 207cm and super athletic with great agility and a fantastic leap. I just don't get it. 207cm!
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27-08-2021, 01:06 AM
#724
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Another way to look at it.
Here are the top 25 for hitouts. Who can we target.
2021 AFL League Hitouts Per Game Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played) |
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Rank |
Player |
Team |
Games |
Hitouts for Last Game |
Average |
1 |
Brodie Grundy |
Magpies |
20 |
23 v Essendon, Round 23 |
32.40 |
2 |
Max Gawn |
Demons |
22 |
39 v Geelong, Round 23 |
31.95 |
3 |
Nicholas Naitanui |
Eagles |
22 |
53 v Brisbane, Round 23 |
31.09 |
4 |
Patrick Ryder |
Saints |
12 |
27 v West Coast, Round 19 |
30.00 |
5 |
Todd Goldstein |
Kangaroos |
22 |
41 v Adelaide, Round 23 |
29.64 |
6 |
Reilly O'Brien |
Crows |
20 |
28 v Port Adelaide, Round 21 |
29.40 |
7 |
Marc Pittonet |
Blues |
13 |
27 v GWS, Round 14 |
29.23 |
8 |
Oscar McInerney |
Lions |
21 |
24 v West Coast, Round 23 |
28.62 |
9 |
Sean Darcy |
Dockers |
21 |
16 v St Kilda, Round 23 |
28.52 |
10 |
Scott Lycett |
Power |
18 |
40 v Western Bulldogs, Round 23 |
26.50 |
11 |
Ned Reeves |
Hawks |
5 |
31 v Brisbane, Round 20 |
26.00 |
12 |
Shane Mumford |
Giants |
12 |
28 v Richmond, Round 22 |
24.42 |
13 |
Tom Hickey |
Swans |
20 |
24 v Gold Coast, Round 23 |
23.55 |
14 |
Sam Draper |
Bombers |
12 |
20 v Collingwood, Round 23 |
22.58 |
15 |
Toby Nankervis |
Tigers |
16 |
23 v GWS, Round 22 |
22.56 |
16 |
Zac Smith |
Suns |
9 |
26 v Sydney, Round 23 |
21.22 |
17 |
Jonathon Ceglar |
Hawks |
12 |
24 v Richmond, Round 23 |
20.92 |
18 |
Andrew Phillips |
Bombers |
6 |
25 v Richmond, Round 12 |
20.67 |
19 |
Jordon Sweet |
Bulldogs |
5 |
17 v Melbourne, Round 11 |
19.80 |
20 |
Rhys Stanley |
Cats |
16 |
33 v Melbourne, Round 23 |
19.38 |
21 |
Matthew Flynn |
Giants |
12 |
22 v Sydney, Round 18 |
18.50 |
22 |
Rowan Marshall |
Saints |
13 |
13 v Fremantle, Round 23 |
18.46 |
23 |
Stefan Martin |
Bulldogs |
7 |
8 v Fremantle, Round 12 |
17.57 |
24 |
Kieren Briggs |
Giants |
5 |
26 v Carlton, Round 23 |
17.00 |
25 |
Ben McEvoy |
Hawks |
22 |
13 v Richmond, Round 23 |
16.86 |
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So your telling me we have a ''top 25'' ruck on our list and have refused to develop him?
Sigh....
"Its always good to win the Ashes test match'' - Libba, AFL Grand Final, 2016
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27-08-2021, 03:04 AM
#725
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
Vred
So your telling me we have a ''top 25'' ruck on our list and have refused to develop him?
Sigh....
Are hit outs everything.........? Not sure those four hitouts a game that Sweet gets over the hitouts English gets make or break our success.
I've come to think that if Jordan Sweet doesn't play for the next two years he'll end up having the reputation of Gary Dempsey.
Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.
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27-08-2021, 09:30 AM
#726
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
jeemak
I've come to think that if Jordan Sweet doesn't play for the next two years he'll end up having the reputation of Gary Dempsey.
That is true of Bulldog players. The longer they don't play, the better they get.
For all we know Lewie Young has as much chance of making it as a ruck as Jordan Sweet. Sweet has the aggression and the tap contests, Lewie may have him covered around the ground. Both are still developing kids.
Given their age we could feasibly take a 1-2 year ruck option and it would suit us (as much as I would prefer a gun in their prime with 5+ years left)
Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers
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27-08-2021, 10:17 AM
#727
Re: Well Ruck Me.
I've said this a few times there is no point chasing Ladhams, Chol, Max Lynch etc as they all seem way too similar to English and Young.
We need a genuine number 1 ruck who shows some physicality at the man and contest.
Players like Mumford, Marshall, Draper, Nank.
GWS seem to have the right mindset they have 3-4 big ruckman on their list all who like the physical side of the game.
Seriously, how good would Bontempelli be with a genuine ruck?
More of an In Bruges guy?
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27-08-2021, 10:21 AM
#728
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
azabob
I've said this a few times there is no point chasing Ladhams, Chol, Max Lynch etc as they all seem way too similar to English and Young.
We need a genuine number 1 ruck who shows some physicality at the man and contest.
Players like Mumford, Marshall, Draper, Nank.
GWS seem to have the right mindset they have 3-4 big ruckman on their list all who like the physical side of the game.
Seriously, how good would Bontempelli be with a genuine ruck?
Agreed they are the classic prototypes but, unfortunately, they're not Bevo types. How good would our midfield be with a dominant ruck?
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27-08-2021, 10:24 AM
#729
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
1eyedog
Agreed they are the classic prototypes but, unfortunately, they're not Bevo types. How good would our midfield be with a dominant ruck?
No more hasbeens, we need a genuine good ruckman. How lucky are melbourne. Gawn is the ideal ruck.
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27-08-2021, 10:35 AM
#730
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
1eyedog
Agreed they are the classic prototypes but, unfortunately, they're not Bevo types. How good would our midfield be with a dominant ruck?
Surely even as dog stubborn as Bevo is, he has to be starting to question his own method here? Sure - agile rucks like Dean Cox are great, but how many of them have we seen in the last 20 years?
It's bloody clear we need an intimidating ruck (Ben Hudson you were magnificent). Nic Nat would be great, but even one of GWS' big boys would be fine.
I refuse to believe that Bevo's tune can't be changing. And if it isn't, WTF is Chris Grant, Ameet Baines, Sam Power, every assistant coach, and EVERY midfielder doing when they talk to him!?
If I'm Marcus, I'm having a very real conversation with Bevo at the end of this year. GET. A. RUCK. If we pay overs, we pay overs. Just GET a quality ruck.
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27-08-2021, 10:37 AM
#731
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
bornadog
No more hasbeens, we need a genuine good ruckman. How lucky are melbourne. Gawn is the ideal ruck.
Like who though? Chol, Ladhams, Lynch, Meek et al. are the names floating around.
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27-08-2021, 10:38 AM
#732
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
1eyedog
Like who though? Chol, Ladhams, Lynch, Meek et al. are the names floating around.
All I am saying is no more 34/35 year olds
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27-08-2021, 10:57 AM
#733
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
1eyedog
Like who though? Chol, Ladhams, Lynch, Meek et al. are the names floating around.
Kieran Strachan?
25 years old, 204cm, 103kgs, playing very well in the SANFL (probably the best performed SANFL ruck this year), stuck behind Reilly O'Brien at the crows. Wouldn't cost much.
Averaging 16 disposals and 36.5 hit outs in the SANFL
Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers
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27-08-2021, 11:33 AM
#734
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
1eyedog
Like who though? Chol, Ladhams, Lynch, Meek et al. are the names floating around.
This is copy pasted from the Stefan Martin thread, but relevant here.
We need at a minimum a ruck who:
-isn't a liability around the ground
-Is able to hold his own in the ruck so that the opposition don't get an advantage from that matchup.
It would be nice to have a matchwinner in there, but considering we have plonked our cash down on matchwinners in our midfield then we just need someone who can do their job.
Couple that with us not having the trade capital to go for one of the 6 genuinely good rucks, means that all we need is someone solid.
A few names that seem ball park to me and should be cheap are:
-Kieran Strachan. Big country lad from Bendigo. Played 3 games. Undertsudy to O'Brien who is locked in as the Crows ruck for basically forever. Seemed to cover the ground well. He is an ex rookie that should cost nothing, maybe the Lipinski pick at most.
-Rhys Stanley. Mobile and "athletic". Not an outstanding ruck but I believe is better at holing his own than our bunch, and I think a bit like Hickey could benefit from a fresh start where he the focus is on what he can do again. Would be free.
-Ben McEvoy. Old so maybe in danger of dying on field like Martin, but solid as hell, good ruckman who can push into defence. Not as atheltic as Stanley but a much better player and good in the air. Should be free.
-Jon Ceglar. Been a solid battler for ages. Can clunk a mark and isn't terrible around the ground although doesn't move very athletically. I think he holds his own in the ruck. Would be free.
-Matthew Flynn. Big boy that played a number of games this year. Can find the ball ok, although I don't think he is overly impressive with it. Decent in the hitout stakes, and is possibly surplus at GWS who have preferred Mumford to him at times and is competing with Briggs and Preuss should he ever return. Would basically be the most expensive of the rucks listed above, but again wouldn't cost much imo. Maybe a future second at most (which is really pick 30+)
-Peter Ladhams. Has been brought up a lot here. Not sure he is actually the hitout ruck we need, projects a bit like English in that he is a ruck forward who's worst feature is probably his hitouts. Better at that than Tim though, good link up player around the ground and can perform forward. Free agent.
-Max Lynch. I've honestly never seen him play but his limited numbers seem decent enough. Unsure what he is like in the other aspects of his game. Can't imagine he'd cost much.
There are a few other names that could be brought up like Chol, Williams, Goldstein, Coleman-Jones, Hayes but I don't know a heap about most of them.
I should leave it alone but you're not right
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27-08-2021, 11:38 AM
#735
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
soupman
This is copy pasted from the Stefan Martin thread, but relevant here.
We need at a minimum a ruck who:
-isn't a liability around the ground
-Is able to hold his own in the ruck so that the opposition don't get an advantage from that matchup.
It would be nice to have a matchwinner in there, but considering we have plonked our cash down on matchwinners in our midfield then we just need someone who can do their job.
Couple that with us not having the trade capital to go for one of the 6 genuinely good rucks, means that all we need is someone solid.
A few names that seem ball park to me and should be cheap are:
-Kieran Strachan. Big country lad from Bendigo. Played 3 games. Undertsudy to O'Brien who is locked in as the Crows ruck for basically forever. Seemed to cover the ground well. He is an ex rookie that should cost nothing, maybe the Lipinski pick at most.
-Rhys Stanley. Mobile and "athletic". Not an outstanding ruck but I believe is better at holing his own than our bunch, and I think a bit like Hickey could benefit from a fresh start where he the focus is on what he can do again. Would be free.
-Ben McEvoy. Old so maybe in danger of dying on field like Martin, but solid as hell, good ruckman who can push into defence. Not as atheltic as Stanley but a much better player and good in the air. Should be free.
-Jon Ceglar. Been a solid battler for ages. Can clunk a mark and isn't terrible around the ground although doesn't move very athletically. I think he holds his own in the ruck. Would be free.
-Matthew Flynn. Big boy that played a number of games this year. Can find the ball ok, although I don't think he is overly impressive with it. Decent in the hitout stakes, and is possibly surplus at GWS who have preferred Mumford to him at times and is competing with Briggs and Preuss should he ever return. Would basically be the most expensive of the rucks listed above, but again wouldn't cost much imo. Maybe a future second at most (which is really pick 30+)
-Peter Ladhams. Has been brought up a lot here. Not sure he is actually the hitout ruck we need, projects a bit like English in that he is a ruck forward who's worst feature is probably his hitouts. Better at that than Tim though, good link up player around the ground and can perform forward. Free agent.
-Max Lynch. I've honestly never seen him play but his limited numbers seem decent enough. Unsure what he is like in the other aspects of his game. Can't imagine he'd cost much.
There are a few other names that could be brought up like Chol, Williams, Goldstein, Coleman-Jones, Hayes but I don't know a heap about most of them.
The only player in there better than Sweet / English is Ceglar. McEvoy is getting on now (33 next year) and Ceglar is late 20s. I'd be ok with Ceglar.
Lynch has shown promise but the sample size is small. Played one really solid game against Gawn but otherwise has struggled to make an impact around the ground. He's basically on-par with Sweet for mine. The rest are of unknown quality to me with the exception of Stanley, he's an upgrade on English but still a battler. I guess he's better than what we have.