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06-10-2015, 10:57 PM
#151
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
jeemak
I don't think we botched the trade as badly as some of you.
We were never going to secure the Hawks first round pick, and they were never going to trade out a player worthy of a first round pick in order to use it in the Lake trade.
Sure, we could have postured for higher ground and seen a significant portion of the trade period move on by but that could have resulted in us missing Stevens and securing a dud in the eventual deal.
We actually got their first and second round pick in exchange for Lake and our second round pick.
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06-10-2015, 11:00 PM
#152
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
Greystache
We actually got their first and second round pick in exchange for Lake and our second round pick.
Whoops, I should have double checked before I tried to make that point I botched!
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07-10-2015, 12:04 AM
#153
Re: Following our ex's...................
Respectfully agree to disagree. The swapping of 2nd round picks was unnecessarily generous - we could have got pick 21 for Lake on its own, kept pick 27 and then got Stevens for our 3rd round pick which was only a few spots after Hawthorn's 2nd round pick.
All academic.
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07-10-2015, 12:12 AM
#154
Re: Following our ex's...................
Yeh the addition of pick 27 definitely weighted the trade in Hawthorn's favour.
We can say that we underestimated Lake's ability to contribute in the last three years, but I would argue his best games were finals each year. Mid-season he just scraped along, and if he had stayed with us that would be the consistent output we could have expected.
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07-10-2015, 07:12 AM
#155
Re: Following our ex's...................
I guess the problem is if you try and 'win' every trade no ones going to want to deal with you. Sometimes you get a bargain and sometimes you pay overs, it's the nature of the beast.
Lake was a cracking trade(if Hrovat hangs around on goes onto being a long term doggie)
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07-10-2015, 12:10 PM
#156
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
chef
I guess the problem is if you try and 'win' every trade no ones going to want to deal with you. Sometimes you get a bargain and sometimes you pay overs, it's the nature of the beast.
Lake was a cracking trade(if Hrovat hangs around on goes onto being a long term doggie)
Agree with comments on trade. Best ones are where everyone walks away a little stronger, by trading players/picks that are a better fit.
If Lake comes back to us for a successful year and Hrovat gives us another 100+ games (or we trade him for someone who does), the Lake/Hrovat trade will have to go down as a success.
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07-10-2015, 03:21 PM
#157
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
chef
I guess the problem is if you try and 'win' every trade no ones going to want to deal with you. Sometimes you get a bargain and sometimes you pay overs, it's the nature of the beast.
Lake was a cracking trade(if Hrovat hangs around on goes onto being a long term doggie)
Yep. It's the price of doing business.
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07-10-2015, 03:54 PM
#158
Re: Following our ex's...................
Jason Tutt is in my office as we type. I could literally follow him if you guys want.
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07-10-2015, 04:15 PM
#159
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
Happy Days
Jason Tutt is in my office as we type. I could literally follow him if you guys want.
Ask him if he regrets wanting out at the club.
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07-10-2015, 04:17 PM
#160
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
Happy Days
Jason Tutt is in my office as we type. I could literally follow him if you guys want.
Can you ask him why he left? Inside scoop on Macca and Shocktober would be good too?
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07-10-2015, 04:24 PM
#161
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
Sedat
Absolutely correct in the Griffen scenario but how on earth can you conclude we were in a weak position on day 1 of a 3 week trade period with the Lake scenario? There was no negotiation - we simply accepted the first ambit claim offered to us. We had the commodity that the other party was desperate for - Clarko just lost the 2011 PF by a kick and the 2012 GF by a kick and was not prepared to wait around for another 12 months to fix up his defence. Lake was now or never for them - we knew this and yet we made it awfully easy for them to get him.
I'm with you Sedat. It's all water under the bridge now...... but the first day of a 3 week negotiation window?
I'm 99% certain we could have got a better deal out of the hawks. It's the swap of picks that is the sticking point for me.
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07-10-2015, 04:56 PM
#162
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
Can you ask him why he left? Inside scoop on Macca and Shocktober would be good too?
Didn't get a chance to ask him anything, but I think we all know why he left.
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07-10-2015, 04:57 PM
#163
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
Happy Days
Didn't get a chance to ask him anything, but I think we all know why he left.
That weird long stalker like stare you game him the whole time he was at your work?
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07-10-2015, 05:18 PM
#164
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
That weird long stalker like stare you game him the whole time he was at your work?
Why he left the coffee room maybe, but not the club.
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12-10-2015, 03:50 PM
#165
Re: Following our ex's...................
Adam Cooney's Twitter profile had him not as an AFL footballer, but in "client relations", with "Podium Finance". Preparing for post footy life, obviously. The company also features Tom Williams, Mark Austin and director Rick Olarenshaw. Coons was at Tommy's wedding, along with a who's who of former Bulldogs.
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