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30-12-2023, 05:12 PM
#4111
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
First year as a recruiter and I think he was a part timer.
I heard that he was given an instruction to land players who kicked the ball from point A to B quickly and that was part of the reason why he reached for Howard and then Tutt. Eade wanted players with that trait.
I wonder why he picked guys that couldn't kick then?
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30-12-2023, 05:13 PM
#4112
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
Go_Dogs
I think Dal did plenty good enough with his talent identification. Some picks you have to nail. Macrae, Stringer, Bont were those picks. He also did well with some later selections eg McLean, Daniel, Dunkley, etc who were factors in our premiership side. He?s not infallible (no one is) but he did well at our club probably with limited resources compared to some others.
The list management vs talent identification is an interesting one. I assume the list manager and coach set the strategy for types of players or attributes we want and then the recruiting team complete their evaluations and make recommendations on who fits the bill. In many ways you can?t succeed without both parties doing their bit and getting it right.
It actually still gets me down a bit how phenomenal Stringer could have been.
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30-12-2023, 10:03 PM
#4113
Re: Following our ex's...................
Has Rohan Smith landed another gig?
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02-01-2024, 01:36 PM
#4114
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
azabob
So, you lay the blame at Dalrymples feet for drafting Howard and putting forward that someone else identified and said let?s draft Bontempelli? In the Bont scenario who is the mystery shooter?
Originally Posted by
Grantysghost
No I wasn't AB. Was trying to untangle why he's so highly regarded is all.
Ha mystery shooter. I'm all over JFK at the moment, reading a great book about the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban missile crisis.
That Oliver Stone movie should come with a massive disclaimer (not based on anything in our universe), LHO did it and did it alone as he was a nut.
I digress, no it wasn't a loaded question.
Ironically it was JFK who said that victory has 100 fathers and defeat is an orphan which is the quote that best fits here
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03-01-2024, 01:36 AM
#4115
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
Twodogs
Ironically it was JFK who said that victory has 100 fathers and defeat is an orphan which is the quote that best fits here
Success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan.
That and the true meaning behind Hans Christian Andersen's The Emperor's New Clothes are two of the main lessons I've taken from my roughly twenty years working life.
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07-01-2024, 02:27 PM
#4116
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
I talked to Simon at a presentation B-Mac gave the player sponsors in the ELC and I'm not sure if he said it anywhere else since but at the time JJ was the late selection he was most proud of.
He picked JJ when JJ couldn't get in the WA colts team if I remember correctly.
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07-01-2024, 08:49 PM
#4117
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
jeemak
Success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan.
That and the true meaning behind Hans Christian Andersen's The Emperor's New Clothes are two of the main lessons I've taken from my roughly twenty years working life.
Actually...
Kennedy used the "victory" quote which was a slight variation on the original "success" quote that was originally thought to be said by George Washington but is now thought to have been said by Mussolini's son in law Galeazzo Ciano.
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07-01-2024, 11:10 PM
#4118
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
Twodogs
Ironically it was JFK who said that victory has 100 fathers and defeat is an orphan which is the quote that best fits here
I was watching one of the new 60 year JFK doco’s in in those post bay of pigs pressers where he said that line, he also said one of my new favourite quotes. “An error doesn’t become a mistake until you refuse to correct it”.
I think that’s equally apt. We cut Howard quick enough for a first rounder.
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08-01-2024, 02:45 PM
#4119
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
Bulldog4life
He picked JJ when JJ couldn't get in the WA colts team if I remember correctly.
Matty Boyd out of Frankston seconds too IIRC. A 19 year old playing VFL 2s was an incredible pick.
His successor came close to grabbing Anthony Scott straight out of the ammos (we eventually got him into our VFL program for a year first) so there are some leftfield successes.
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08-01-2024, 02:52 PM
#4120
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
First year as a recruiter and I think he was a part timer.
I heard that he was given an instruction to land players who kicked the ball from point A to B quickly and that was part of the reason why he reached for Howard and then Tutt. Eade wanted players with that trait.
Also selected the Magic Man, Shane Thorne, with a late pick that year - he disappeared even quicker than the Lambada.
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08-01-2024, 02:58 PM
#4121
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
Mofra
Matty Boyd out of Frankston seconds too IIRC. A 19 year old playing VFL 2s was an incredible pick.
His successor came close to grabbing Anthony Scott straight out of the ammos (we eventually got him into our VFL program for a year first) so there are some leftfield successes.
Wasn't Boyd was well before Dalrymple's time?
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08-01-2024, 09:11 PM
#4122
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
Axe Man
Wasn't Boyd was well before Dalrymple's time?
Would have to be Clayton surely
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08-01-2024, 10:13 PM
#4123
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
hujsh
Would have to be Clayton surely
Dalrymple was the recruiting manager from 2010 to early 2018. He was a development coach before that.
Boyd arrived in 2015 but his recruitment would have been more due to Ryan Griffen's departure and Jason McCartney as the list manager.
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08-01-2024, 11:04 PM
#4124
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
Dalrymple was the recruiting manager from 2010 to early 2018. He was a development coach before that.
Boyd arrived in 2015 but his recruitment would have been more due to Ryan Griffen's departure and Jason McCartney as the list manager.
We were referring to Matt, not Tom
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08-01-2024, 11:21 PM
#4125
Re: Following our ex's...................
Originally Posted by
hujsh
We were referring to Matt, not Tom
You mean Brad, no…?
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