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29-07-2015, 04:55 PM
#166
Re: Booing Adam Goodes.
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29-07-2015, 06:13 PM
#167
Re: Booing Adam Goodes.
That could possibly be First Dog's best work ever.
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29-07-2015, 07:36 PM
#168
Re: Booing Adam Goodes.
Originally Posted by
chef
I think the problem is people are just booing him because everyone else is, the majority dont even know why they are doing it. Herd mentality.
I dont think anyone here is saying if you boo him you're a racist.
I asked that very question after the GWS fans booed him because they really had no good reason to do so.
I don't believe booing him is racially motivated by the vast majority but the booing has somehow become a Mexican wave group type response.
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29-07-2015, 08:29 PM
#169
Re: Booing Adam Goodes.
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
To the extent this is now happening to Adam Goodes it's clearly a form of bullying and as such the freedom for people to 'express themselves as they see fit' is now at best highly questionable. And as a side note very few people would have the fortitude to boo him to his face so it's really not an issue of expressing themselves as they see fit, more it's just about the freedom of doing it at a safe distance.
The same could be said for expressing any form of disapproval in the sporting arena. If the yardstick was "Only make comment/boo/cheer if you'd be willing to do it to the person's face" then arenas would have to be silent. As for the bullying thing, I may just be old school, but I think that's a bit rich. I know it isn't just your argument though. Agree to disagree.
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29-07-2015, 08:34 PM
#170
Re: Booing Adam Goodes.
Originally Posted by
Murphy'sLore
. I have lost count of the number of times I've now heard it suggested that he should apologise to the 13 year old who shouted out the 'ape' comment. HE should apologise? Talk about blaming the victim. Congratulations, we have managed to turn this incident around 180 degrees and it's now all Goodes' fault he was abused. Baffling.
He took umbrage at a comment made by a 13 year old child, and his chosen response was to have her ejected from the stadium and publicly humiliated in front of thousands, and countless others through the resultant media coverage. I had massive problems with that then, and I do now. The way he dealt with that incident was completely inappropriate, IMO.
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29-07-2015, 08:42 PM
#171
Re: Booing Adam Goodes.
Originally Posted by
Remi Moses
Could you honestly say hand on heart that there isn't a skerrick of racism in some re. goodes
In some, I'm sure there is. My objection is more the fact that the assumption is madepeople seem to be able to read other's minds regarding their motives. Therefore thousands (or millions) are tarred with the same brush, which is very unfair. We are told "It's racism". That, I strongly object to. I don't like Goodes; that does not make me racist.
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29-07-2015, 09:36 PM
#172
Re: Booing Adam Goodes.
I must be in the minority as I like Adam and admire him for his convictions
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29-07-2015, 09:51 PM
#173
Re: Booing Adam Goodes.
Originally Posted by
Bulldog4life
I must be in the minority as I like Adam and admire him for his convictions
Something about the majority advising the minority about the best way to react when racially vilified...anyways, it is a footy forum so I will stop there.
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29-07-2015, 09:59 PM
#174
Re: Booing Adam Goodes.
Originally Posted by
AndrewP6
In some, I'm sure there is. My objection is more the fact that the assumption is madepeople seem to be able to read other's minds regarding their motives. Therefore thousands (or millions) are tarred with the same brush, which is very unfair. We are told "It's racism". That, I strongly object to. I don't like Goodes; that does not make me racist.
No there not . The general consensus is that it's a myriad of reasons, and if a few have racial undertones ,it's a few to many .
How on earth would he know the age of the girl? He pointed out someone who made an insulting racial slur, and had no control on channel 7's saturation of the moment. He met the young girl the next day, and if she never says or knows how much that comment hurt, then it's a great learning experience .
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29-07-2015, 10:00 PM
#175
Re: Booing Adam Goodes.
Originally Posted by
AndrewP6
He took umbrage at a comment made by a 13 year old child, and his chosen response was to have her ejected from the stadium and publicly humiliated in front of thousands, and countless others through the resultant media coverage. I had massive problems with that then, and I do now. The way he dealt with that incident was completely inappropriate, IMO.
He pointed the girl out .
Don't rewrite history
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29-07-2015, 10:03 PM
#176
Re: Booing Adam Goodes.
Originally Posted by
Remi Moses
He pointed the girl out .
Don't rewrite history
Pardon? He pointed her out to security. In front of thousands present, and by virtue of the media present, countless others. She was 13 years old. What part of that isn't true?
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29-07-2015, 10:05 PM
#177
Re: Booing Adam Goodes.
Originally Posted by
Remi Moses
How on earth would he know the age of the girl? He pointed out someone who made an insulting racial slur, and had no control on channel 7's saturation of the moment. He met the young girl the next day, and if she never says or knows how much that comment hurt, then it's a great learning experience .
He said he believed she was 14, so he obviously had a pretty good idea. He knew it wasn't just 'someone', but a child.
Learning by humiliation...an abhorrent approach.
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29-07-2015, 10:18 PM
#178
Re: Booing Adam Goodes.
Originally Posted by
AndrewP6
He said he believed she was 14, so he obviously had a pretty good idea. He knew it wasn't just 'someone', but a child.
Learning by humiliation...an abhorrent approach.
Aren't the people booing Goodes trying to humiliate him because they don't agree with some of the things he has done or said?
And they are doing it every time he goes near the ball, every game he plays and have done so for an extended period.
To me people are trying to latch on to some isolated and spur of the moment actions by Goodes as a way of justifying their own behaviour.
The club has it right, be loud, be fair.
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29-07-2015, 10:31 PM
#179
Re: Booing Adam Goodes.
Originally Posted by
Remi Moses
He pointed the girl out .
Don't rewrite history
And he did the right thing.
The curse is dead.
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29-07-2015, 10:51 PM
#180
Re: Booing Adam Goodes.
Let's simplify it down to this because there are so many opinions out there it's dizzying.
In you heart of hearts......... Even if you think you have a right to do it, or a reason to do it..........
It has now gone beyond a bit of fun at the football.
Is it right to keep booing Adam Goodes every time he goes near the ball. Booing him so much he quits playing AFL.
Yes or no.
I say no.
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