The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

[jeemak]

Stevens, Hamling, Hrovat, Campbell and Dickson are the priority for me. Hrovat makes the list as I think he'll attract reasonable interest in the trade market and I'd prefer to have him contracted prior to then.

Our veterans won't be going anywhere, I don't think the others will be stolen from us.

[GVGjr]

Dale Morris (UFA), Robert Murphy (UFA), Roarke Smith, Joel Hamling, Declan Hamilton, Lin Jong, Clay Smith, Tory Dickson, Koby Stevens, Nathan Hrovat, Tom Campbell. After signing them on you can always trade with some leverage. Unsigned you are in their hands.

I could very well be wrong but I'm not sure you can sign and then trade.

[azabob]

I could very well be wrong but I'm not sure you can sign and then trade.

I think of both player and club agree then it can proceed.

[bulldogtragic]

I could very well be wrong but I'm not sure you can sign and then trade.

I think there's some fine print that says the default position is that you cannot trade in the year of resigning, unless the player agrees. Which if he doesn't agree means you can't trade him. Or that's the last I remember of the rule.

[GVGjr]

I think there's some fine print that says the default position is that you cannot trade in the year of resigning, unless the player agrees. Which if he doesn't agree means you can't trade him. Or that's the last I remember of the rule.

Thanks to both you and Aza for the clarification. I was under the impression it was the very reason why they stopped that sign and trade option.

Whats in it for the player to sign with one club and be traded to another? Is it a way for the player to make sure the old club is adequately compensated?

[bulldogtragic]

Thanks to both you and Aza for the clarification. I was under the impression it was the very reason why they stopped that sign and trade option.

Whats in it for the player to sign with one club and be traded to another? Is it a way for the player to make sure the old club is adequately compensated?

Ricky Nixon would get two commissions in 3 months. Outside of player agents, I don't think it serves any purpose to sign a player you're not 100% committed to.

[azabob]

Thanks to both you and Aza for the clarification. I was under the impression it was the very reason why they stopped that sign and trade option.

Whats in it for the player to sign with one club and be traded to another? Is it a way for the player to make sure the old club is adequately compensated?

GVGjr, you could well be right. To me if the rule is as i and BT say, it diesnt make sense.

I dont believe that when players leave clubs they care if the compensation is fair or not.

[GVGjr]

GVGjr, you could well be right. To me if the rule is as i and BT say, it diesnt make sense.

I dont believe that when players leave clubs they care if the compensation is fair or not.

To me it also sort of flies in the face of the whole restricted and unrestricted option and to me there is no upside for the player to sign and then be traded unless there is some loophole with the salary cap I'm not aware of.

I'm not convinced what I'm saying is right either but it would be interesting to get some clarification.

[bulldogtragic]

GVGjr, you could well be right. To me if the rule is as i and BT say, it diesnt make sense.

I dont believe that when players leave clubs they care if the compensation is fair or not.

I might be tired, but I think it makes sense. If you recontract a player, he can't be traded unless he voluntarily opts out. If you want to trade him and he says 'get stuffed' you cannot trade him. So the rule stops a club manipulating contract status. It seems unlikely a player would sign in round 12 with offers floating around (official and unofficial) and then 12 weeks later get a ludicrously better offer and ask for a trade while the ink is wet. So in reality you can't really trade a resigned player in that year, but if the player is happy to go then they can. But the risk is the player says 'no' and you've signed up a player you don't want to have, which serves as the strong deincentivisation to not engage in the practice.

[hujsh]

Don't all trade require player approval anyway. I don't see the difference

[Greystache]

Don't all trade require player approval anyway. I don't see the difference

That's right. AFL players can't be traded against their will while under contract. Given players seem to believe it's their right to be traded while under contract then I'm a supporter of the American model of being traded while the club owns your contract. As usual Australian players want the best of both worlds, guaranteed contracts with no trading rights.

[Twodogs]

The AFL recently tried to get the players to give up that right for a lesser FA qualification. I think it was tha FA qual anyway.

[jeemak]

That's right. AFL players can't be traded against their will while under contract. Given players seem to believe it's their right to be traded while under contract then I'm a supporter of the American model of being traded while the club owns your contract. As usual Australian players want the best of both worlds, guaranteed contracts with no trading rights.

Being in the banking industry you'd know how information asymmetry comes into play in this. The players have a safeguard within their CBA/EBA to protect themselves from being signed by clubs in different types of precarious situations without a reasonable level of disclosure.

[bulldogtragic]

Back to topic, I'm going to go brutal and say Prudden gets cut. For me hasn't shown enough to command a new contract with a year out. So he's locked in for me, especially as if their knees hold up Libba, Bob & Clay (& rookie Roarke) is enough risk of knee re-injury to carry over the list.

So Prudden & Matt Boyd (if Bob stays on next year) are my two of my four.
I want to see Clay back to his best.
Minson is up against it, and would be my third right now.
Possible trade in the 4th spot. Hrovat, Hamilton, Redders, Jong etc might get better offers and be tempted if they don't get a good run of seniors this year.

[GVGjr]

BT, I can see the need for rookie list promotions especially Lynch. I think there needs to be at least 5 subtractions