Thanks Thanks:  1
Likes Likes:  5
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 30
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    32,410
    Post Thanks / Like

    Hrovat & Honeychurch

    Looking at the game yesterday, I'd say Dunkley, Dahl, Daniel, Maclean plus Dickson (Crameri next year) are great for the small forward with Hunter and others capable of rotating through small & medium forward. All these are long term players.

    I wonder if Hrovat & Honeychurch are worth persisting as depth for forward and have them gunning for these spots, or is there a case to have one or both playing another role? If they can't get into the best 22 they become trade targets. A small lock down defender to play on Betts there's would be nice if it fits into the gameplan.

    It's not baby and bath water stuff, but positional moves ala Bob, Picken, Boyd, Grant, Roughy, Wood and others has worked.
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Wherever the dogs are playing
    Posts
    61,223
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hrovat & Honeychurch

    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogtragic View Post
    Looking at the game yesterday, I'd say Dunkley, Dahl, Daniel, Maclean plus Dickson (Crameri next year) are great for the small forward with Hunter and others capable of rotating through small & medium forward. All these are long term players.

    I wonder if Hrovat & Honeychurch are worth persisting as depth for forward and have them gunning for these spots, or is there a case to have one or both playing another role? If they can't get into the best 22 they become trade targets. A small lock down defender to play on Betts there's would be nice if it fits into the gameplan.

    It's not baby and bath water stuff, but positional moves ala Bob, Picken, Boyd, Grant, Roughy, Wood and others has worked.
    Eventually, Bob, Boyd and Picken will be gone opening up more spots. Then there are the inevitable injuries, so you need backups.
    FFC: Established 1883

    Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    32,410
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hrovat & Honeychurch

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Eventually, Bob, Boyd and Picken will be gone opening up more spots. Then there are the inevitable injuries, so you need backups.
    I agree, those guys are middle and defence. Which is a reason for the question, should H&H development be on forward craft or send them the defence now for when retirements come?
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Wherever the dogs are playing
    Posts
    61,223
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hrovat & Honeychurch

    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogtragic View Post
    I agree, those guys are middle and defence. Which is a reason for the question, should H&H development be on forward craft or send them the defence now for when retirements come?
    Definitely needs to be considered.
    FFC: Established 1883

    Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    9,625
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hrovat & Honeychurch

    I think both Hrovat and Honeychurch are worth persisting with for now.

    Hrovat was pretty good over the course of the pre-season and will play quite a bit of senior football this year. Honeychurch is a different style of player, but I think he can also play a role in our side.

    Both need to continue to improve their decision making and disposal, because that's what lets them both down from time to time. I also wonder if Honeychurch has the motor to play through the midfield, which is a requirement for any of our smaller blokes who play forward - he certainly has the hardness to add a bit around the ball.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    32,410
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hrovat & Honeychurch

    Quote Originally Posted by Go_Dogs View Post
    I think both Hrovat and Honeychurch are worth persisting with for now.

    Hrovat was pretty good over the course of the pre-season and will play quite a bit of senior football this year. Honeychurch is a different style of player, but I think he can also play a role in our side.

    Both need to continue to improve their decision making and disposal, because that's what lets them both down from time to time. I also wonder if Honeychurch has the motor to play through the midfield, which is a requirement for any of our smaller blokes who play forward - he certainly has the hardness to add a bit around the ball.
    They're on the list, so we are persisting. Is it forward, mid or in defence? Bevo has long record of getting wins by changing players roles, is one or both of these needing a change with a glut of small forwards?
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Inside the mind of Brian Lake
    Posts
    6,304
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hrovat & Honeychurch

    FWIW Honeychurch is a very good defensive forward.
    The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    6,681
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hrovat & Honeychurch

    They'll both need to be more versatile if they're going to command a spot on the list in the coming years.

    We all know that their best is absolutely AFL standard, so anything we can do for them that makes them more valuable players on the list should be considered, and we're in the fortunate position of being able to use Footscray as a vehicle for that.

    It may even increase any trade value in the event another club makes either of them a generous offer.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Eastern suburbs
    Posts
    2,069
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hrovat & Honeychurch

    Quote Originally Posted by westdog54 View Post
    They'll both need to be more versatile if they're going to command a spot on the list in the coming years.

    We all know that their best is absolutely AFL standard, so anything we can do for them that makes them more valuable players on the list should be considered, and we're in the fortunate position of being able to use Footscray as a vehicle for that.

    It may even increase any trade value in the event another club makes either of them a generous offer.
    Daniel and McLean both have more upside than H and H and the same might be true for Dale and Webb. You would have to think that both may struggle to become regular members of the side.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    6,681
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hrovat & Honeychurch

    Quote Originally Posted by Nuggety Back Pocket View Post
    Daniel and McLean both have more upside than H and H and the same might be true for Dale and Webb. You would have to think that both may struggle to become regular members of the side.
    In their current state, yes. Hence the need for the club to look at making them more versatile as footballers.

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Doglands
    Posts
    39,736
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hrovat & Honeychurch

    We've been shut out of the first round for a couple of years and I think there could be a chances players like Hrovat, Honeychurch and one or two others could potentially be used to move us up the draft order in either the 1st or 2nd rounds.
    Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    32,410
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hrovat & Honeychurch

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    We've been shut out of the first round for a couple of years and I think there could be a chances players like Hrovat, Honeychurch and one or two others could potentially be used to move us up the draft order in either the 1st or 2nd rounds.
    You've got my curiosity G. Who are the other one or two?
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Doglands
    Posts
    39,736
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hrovat & Honeychurch

    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogtragic View Post
    You've got my curiosity G. Who are the other one or two?
    I don't want to derail the thread from the 2 you started with but maybe some of the other players just outside of yesterdays 22 might attract some interest.
    Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    32,410
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hrovat & Honeychurch

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    I don't want to derail the thread from the 2 you started with but maybe some of the other players just outside of yesterdays 22 might attract some interest.
    Feel free to post in the rolling/moving list management thread. I'm keen to hear your views.
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Doglands
    Posts
    39,736
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hrovat & Honeychurch

    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogtragic View Post
    Feel free to post in the rolling/moving list management thread. I'm keen to hear your views.
    I'd start with Hrovat and HC and I wouldn't mind betting a club or two might find big Jack interesting especially if he can't find a home in a Crameri less forward line with us. Hamilton might have 2 SA clubs interested as well. Webb and Dale might have some suitors.

    We will start to get raided and while J-Mac has done a sensational job with his list management a small number of our boys will realise opportunities might be better elsewhere. Opposition clubs will start to get into the managers ears but that is the cycle of footy much like us offering Hamling a better deal than the Cats could.

    Having depth in a playing list is great but I think we need to keep looking for star players. Moving up the draft rather than down could get us a better chance of achieving that.
    Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

  16. Thanks bulldogtragic thanked for this post

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •