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    Re: The Moving-Rolling Delisting/Retiring/Trading Thread 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    For Crameri, and any other player, it should comes down to attitude, hunger and talent to see if they should be maintained on the senior list. He will have to be prepared to take a pay cut but if he has the desire we should keep him as a senior listed player. He's talked a couple of times at the players sponsors area and from memory he will be close to resuming training now. If all parties can get a deal done then he should be fit enough by December to set himself up for a good season in 2018.
    If you watch the Bob Murphy speech to players, Crameri is right there at the front. If he had no interest he wouldn't show up to the player sponsor area or to the farewell speeches for both Bob and Matty Boyd.

    As Doc26 says a rookie spot is a ridiculous idea, he would be picked up by another club at a heart beat.
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    Re: The Moving-Rolling Delisting/Retiring/Trading Thread 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc26 View Post
    Crameri moving to our a rookie list! How has this suggestion come about? Sure he returned to 2017 in at best average condition, ruled out for the season with a hip but he's far from on his own here and with more compelling reasons given what he's been put through. If we are a Club that 'Puts our arms around him' like Clay, like Roarke, like TBoyd etc I don't get why we would offload him to our rookie list because of one off season - particularly given his upside and our desperate need for what he can deliver.

    If there's not a place for him on our main list, and compensated accordingly, he will be off to another Club that would undoubtedly value him more highly than a rookie.
    It's just a hunch. Nothing against Stew whatsoever, or negative inferences. Just a hunch.
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    Re: The Moving-Rolling Delisting/Retiring/Trading Thread 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    If you watch the Bob Murphy speech to players, Crameri is right there at the front. If he had no interest he wouldn't show up to the player sponsor area or to the farewell speeches for both Bob and Matty Boyd.

    As Doc26 says a rookie spot is a ridiculous idea, he would be picked up by another club at a heart beat.
    Surely seating arrangements isn't a good indicator. My point is the coaches need to have faith in Crameri, and any other out of contract player, that they have the right hunger, talent and desire to get this team back into a serious finals contender. If anyone falls short of that then we need to help them find a good home. I agree with Doc and yourself that you don't put Crameri on a rookie list. He's either in or out.
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    Re: The Moving-Rolling Delisting/Retiring/Trading Thread 2017

    I think we need to keep Crammers exactly the type of player we miss should be a incentive based contract for one year with triggers for a extra year with Bob and Boydy leaving we need experience around the club.

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    Re: The Moving-Rolling Delisting/Retiring/Trading Thread 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Pickenitup View Post
    I think we need to keep Crammers exactly the type of player we miss should be a incentive based contract for one year with triggers for a extra year with Bob and Boydy leaving we need experience around the club.
    On ability we need him at the club as he gives as some great balance in the forward line. I'd be surprised if a one year deal offer would be accepted by Crameri.
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    Re: The Moving-Rolling Delisting/Retiring/Trading Thread 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    Surely seating arrangements isn't a good indicator. My point is the coaches need to have faith in Crameri, and any other out of contract player, that they have the right hunger, talent and desire to get this team back into a serious finals contender. If anyone falls short of that then we need to help them find a good home. I agree with Doc and yourself that you don't put Crameri on a rookie list. He's either in or out.
    No, probably not. Crammers looks a bit annoyed to me.
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    Re: The Moving-Rolling Delisting/Retiring/Trading Thread 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Twodogs View Post
    No, probably not. Crammers looks a bit annoyed to me.
    A year out because of Essendon, best part of a year out because of hip surgery - I'd be pretty annoyed too.
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    Re: The Moving-Rolling Delisting/Retiring/Trading Thread 2017

    We need to be realistic about how the game has evolved and whether a player like Crameri is a part of it. Is he fast, is he good overhead, is he durable, is he clever and can he get his hands on the ball?

    When we picked him up he was all of those things. How many of them is he after two years out of the game? I'm concerned he's edging close to none.
    Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.

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    Re: The Moving-Rolling Delisting/Retiring/Trading Thread 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewP6 View Post
    A year out because of Essendon, best part of a year out because of hip surgery - I'd be pretty annoyed too.

    For sure.
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    Re: The Moving-Rolling Delisting/Retiring/Trading Thread 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    On ability we need him at the club as he gives as some great balance in the forward line. I'd be surprised if a one year deal offer would be accepted by Crameri.
    could you risk offering him any more than one year after being out of the game for two years? This game moves on quickly. I would give him one year with a few milestones in it for an extension to be triggered.

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    Re: The Moving-Rolling Delisting/Retiring/Trading Thread 2017

    Great News Bailey Dale has signed for a further two years!
    More of an In Bruges guy?

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    Re: The Moving-Rolling Delisting/Retiring/Trading Thread 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by azabob View Post
    Great News Bailey Dale has signed for a further two years!
    Giddy up!!
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    Re: The Moving-Rolling Delisting/Retiring/Trading Thread 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by azabob View Post
    That was 2016 for 2017.
    Time man, it's just *!*!*!*!ing with me.
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    Re: The Moving-Rolling Delisting/Retiring/Trading Thread 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by The Underdog View Post
    Time man, it's just *!*!*!*!ing with me.
    Happens to the best of us. Under three years of Bevo coaching, only a mere two players haven't been given a senior game (ex. rookies and some of last year's draftees), Matt Fuller & Declan Hamilton. I think Declan will be joining Fuller in the SANFL next year.
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    Re: The Moving-Rolling Delisting/Retiring/Trading Thread 2017

    Well we're done. This shit has got real now.

    Bob & Boyd gone
    Webb & Redders have contracts, but haven't signed them
    Honey & Hamilton up against it
    Media Questioning Cloke & Crameri
    Campbell may ask for a trade
    As for rookies, I'm guessing Prudden is gone, Smith upgraded (based on what Bevo has said), Lynch, NMM & Tweedie to stay.

    Any surprise trades?
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