The Moving-Rolling Delisting/Retiring/Trading Thread 2017

[The Underdog]

I have no idea who is going to kick goals for us next year.

[Axe Man]

Honeychurch stays, Crameri gone.

Dogs make further list changes

The Western Bulldogs Football Club has made two further changes to its playing list following the completion of the 2017 free agency and trade period.

Stewart Crameri has not been offered a contract for the 2018 season, while Mitch Honeychurch has signed a one-year extension to remain at VU Whitten Oval.

Travis Cloke has also announced his retirement.

Crameri has spent four seasons at the Bulldogs since crossing from Essendon at the end of the 2013 season, kicking 69 goals over 40 games before being restricted by suspension and injuries.

“Stewie showed what he was very capable of in those first two seasons with us, where his combination of athleticism and power was a feature,” Bulldogs List Manager Jason McCartney said.

“Through a variety of circumstances he’s only been able to get on the park five times over the last 24 months.

“We thank him for his efforts and dedication to the club and wish him well in the future.”

Mitch Honeychurch has played 22 games since being drafted with pick #60 in the 2013 NAB AFL Draft.

The 22-year-old added six games to his career tally in 2017, where he averaged 15 disposals per contest, including six score involvements and his 5.7 tackles per game, placing him fourth at the Club.

McCartney said the Club held high hopes for the tenacious Honeychurch.

“Mitch has improved every year he’s been at the Club, and if it weren’t for a late season injury, I’ve got no doubt he would have played a few more games in 2017,” he said.

“We look forward to seeing Mitch continue to develop as a player and as a person in our program.”

[bulldogtragic]

I'd have Cloke and a handful of DFAs ahead of Honeychurch. But he stays and I hope he proves me astonishingly wrong.

[Bulldog4life]

I like those changes. A balanced list now.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Ridiculous decision to keep Honeychurch.

We don't learn (Hamilton and Prudden etc.)

[Sedat]

I'd have Cloke and a handful of DFAs ahead of Honeychurch. But he stays and I hope he proves me astonishingly wrong.

Generous contract extension. Reckon he has survived because Butler and Costanza are premiership players.

Hope he can bring the heat in our F50 and convert his opportunities in 2018. I do like his intent, just don't think he has the tools to execute.

As an aside, there would be question marks over at least 10 players on our list in 12 months' time. I expect a serious cull next year, successful 2018 or otherwise.

[Sedat]

Ridiculous decision to keep Honeychurch.

We don't learn (Hamilton and Prudden etc.)

Ridiculous is a tad excessive - Honeychurch has shown capability at this level well in excess of Prudds and especially Hamilton. But it is a generous decision - he's a lucky boy IMO.

[Bulldog4life]

Ridiculous is a tad excessive - Honeychurch has shown capability at this level well in excess of Prudds and especially Hamilton. But it is a generous decision - he's a lucky boy IMO.

As Jmac said he has continued to improve which is a big plus for Honey. Before he fell ill he was playing quite well his only downfall being missed shots for goal. He had enough of the ball to be damaging. His endeavour and tackling were first class too. If he can improve his goal kicking....like a lot of our players....he will be very handy indeed.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Ridiculous is a tad excessive - Honeychurch has shown capability at this level well in excess of Prudds and especially Hamilton. But it is a generous decision - he's a lucky boy IMO.

If it's about capability, then Crameri is a long way ahead of Honeychurch.

I think it's a ridiculous decision because it's clear that Honeychurch isn't going to make the grade. His lack of size is one thing, but his severe lack of pace and skill makes him unplayable at the top level, particularly for a side with Premiership aspirations.

He's been on our list for 4 years - surely it's enough time to assess and then move on.

[Hotdog60]

Mitch's biggest downside is his conversion rate. If he nailed 95% of his pings at goal he would be seen in a different light.

[bornadog]

Ridiculous is a tad excessive - Honeychurch has shown capability at this level well in excess of Prudds and especially Hamilton. But it is a generous decision - he's a lucky boy IMO.

Whilst I think we should have let him go, he is at least a young player and this is the kick up the bum he might need to fight for his spot.

I really thought Crameri was a very good player for us, but no football in two years makes it hard for the club to keep him on.

[Sedat]

If it's about capability, then Crameri is a long way ahead of Honeychurch.

I think it's a ridiculous decision because it's clear that Honeychurch isn't going to make the grade. His lack of size is one thing, but his severe lack of pace and skill makes him unplayable at the top level, particularly for a side with Premiership aspirations.

He's been on our list for 4 years - surely it's enough time to assess and then move on.

Hard to disagree with any of that. Only caveat I'd say is that the premiers had a couple of short-arses with no skill in their F50 who were very effective at locking it in. They were quick though, much quicker than Honeychurch. He is lucky, no doubt about it.

Also Crameri must be cooked physically otherwise he'd surely be a lock to get another contract.

[Mofra]

Honeychurch applies elite defensive pressure at least, but I have grave concerns over his kicking.

Shame we couldn't hold onto Hrovat, any chance we get Higgins in the draft?

[Sedat]

Whilst I think we should have let him go, he is at least a young player and this is the kick up the bum he might need to fight for his spot.

Don't think Honey is a 'kick up the bum' candidate, just don't think he cuts the mustard.

I have no doubts about him giving 100% effort.

[Dry Rot]

As an aside, there would be question marks over at least 10 players on our list in 12 months' time. I expect a serious cull next year, successful 2018 or otherwise.

Who are those 10 in your eyes?