The Moving-Rolling Delisting/Retiring/Trading Thread 2017

[Remi Moses]

Ridiculous decision to keep Honeychurch.

We don't learn (Hamilton and Prudden etc.)

Gee just a bit melodramatic there. Every club has made list management errors , he’s lucky for mine

[hujsh]

Assumed there was someone we wanted to take at pick 82 leaving Rourke to be elevated at pick 100 odd.

Surprised we're going with Honeychurch over Crameri but not too surprised given the way Bevo spoke about him

[Dry Rot]

Off the top of my head without considering contract status:

Honey
Redders
Webb
Roughy
Greene
Morris
Biggsy
Dickson
Suckers
Campbell
C Smith
Roberts
Collins
Jong
Libba (if he relapses)

Lynch
R Smith
NM-M

Of course we won't make this many changes, and some are more vulnerable than others. I expect all of the above list to improve significantly on their 2017 output if they are serious about their long term AFL careers.

I get most of them, and its not flash that its almost half our list.

But why Biggs?

[GVGjr]

Negativity around Honeychurch is a touch harsh - wouldn’t have said he’s slow. Probably played our best stretch of footy through the middle of the year with him playing defensive forward. Gets involved and finds the footy, which is more than you can say for Webb when he’s had opportunities.

Happy with the extra year

I've made no secret that I like to turn the list over more just about every year but I'm not unhappy about Honeychurch getting one more year especially after the season we just had. If attitude and hard work mean much to us having someone like him around the club is worth the spot.

The challenge for him is to work on his goal kicking accuracy because if he gets that right he has chance to extend his stay with us.

[Sedat]

I get most of them, and its not flash that its almost half our list.

But why Biggs?

He's very safe but he needs to keep working on his game and getting better - there is plenty of competition for spots across half back.

When you have a season where barely anybody improved year on year, it puts pressure on a lot of players the following year. The fact that it is a long list is a positive for mine - there is so much improvement on our list that wasn't even close to being fully exploited in 2017.

[GVGjr]

Assumed there was someone we wanted to take at pick 82 leaving Rourke to be elevated at pick 100 odd.

Surprised we're going with Honeychurch over Crameri but not too surprised given the way Bevo spoke about him

You would have to think we haven't been happy with Crameri and that's why even with Cloke's departure we went with HC.

[AndrewP6]

I'll have to keep an eye on HC IN 2018, I can't see a reason for him getting an extension. I'm not privy to Crammers medical reports, surely that would have played some part in him being shown the door. On talent I'd much rather keep him over HC any day. He must know some secrets about some high ups at the Club.

[The Underdog]

I'll have to keep an eye on HC IN 2018, I can't see a reason for him getting an extension. I'm not privy to Crammers medical reports, surely that would have played some part in him being shown the door. On talent I'd much rather keep him over HC any day. He must know some secrets about some high ups at the Club.

Agree. Crameri has never kicked less than 30 goals when he’s had a good run a it. He’s also a forward who works hard up and down the ground.
HC has shown the ability to run around and stuff. I get the age difference but I’d take Crameri over Honey 8 days a week.

[jeemak]

I've made no secret that I like to turn the list over more just about every year but I'm not unhappy about Honeychurch getting one more year especially after the season we just had. If attitude and hard work mean much to us having someone like him around the club is worth the spot.

The challenge for him is to work on his goal kicking accuracy because if he gets that right he has chance to extend his stay with us.

The issue with turning the list over as a rule is you discard players with three or four years work under their belts and replace them with players who have none, and are just as likely not to make it anyway.

[Rocket Science]

Honeychurch the luckiest guy in footy.

I suppose if we need a swarm at the feet of Boyd & Schache & Redpath he's as likely as any so gets anorher chance.

I'm sorry but he ain't AFL standard and had we any decent crumbers who can tackle and pounce he'd be gone.

Fingers crossed he cements a niche.

[jeemak]

How is he not AFL standard if he’s played well at the level and has a contract to back it up?

Not everyone in the AFL is perfect.

[ledge]

I actually thought he improved a lot and was just starting to find his feet when he got sick.

[Mofra]

In defence of HC he did stick 10 tackles in a game last year as a pressure forward, he does at least try his heart out and doesn't drop his head.
Perhaps a lot of our list strategy this trade period is about delivering a message to the group about professionalism and training standards?

Trengove is one of the most solid characters in the AFL, Crozier doesn't seem like a dickhead at all, Schache isn't a partier, Stringer and Crameri gone, HC rewarded.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

As a small forward you need the following traits:

- Defensive mindset
- Forward craft
- Pace
- Skill

HC has a defensive mindset, but he lacks forward craft. He looks like a midfielder who is playing forward which is understandable, given he played his junior footy as a mid. Unfortunately he's too small to be a mid at AFL level.

Whilst the small forwards don't need to be overly aggressive/strong, they need to compensate with genuine pace. HC just isn't quick enough.

While I agree that his attitude is first class, surely we have enough hard working individuals to set high standards. Second to that, I would have been looking at replacing his spot on the list with a mature state league player (ie. Gowers).

[GVGjr]

As a small forward you need the following traits:

- Defensive mindset
- Forward craft
- Pace
- Skill

HC has a defensive mindset, but he lacks forward craft. He looks like a midfielder who is playing forward which is understandable, given he played his junior footy as a mid. Unfortunately he's too small to be a mid at AFL level.

Whilst the small forwards don't need to be overly aggressive/strong, they need to compensate with genuine pace. HC just isn't quick enough.

While I agree that his attitude is first class, surely we have enough hard working individuals to set high standards. Second to that, I would have been looking at replacing his spot on the list with a mature state league player (ie. Gowers).

I agree with a lot of this but I'm not convinced Gowers is an upgrade on HC. We can probably find better players than HC but given we are picking from the back of the queue we don't want a situation where our targeted players are gone before our picks like how we missed on Long and Hanahan last year