Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English

[GVGjr]

Just read that Tim English is a free agent after the 2024 season, and that West Coast are planning on throwing every kitchen sink on the planet at him (rumours of up to 7 year $10 million contract).

Are we any chance to keep him? Do we start collecting 20c coins now?

If true, how could he say no? He's a Restricted Free Agent but I doubt we could match an offer of that magnitude.
For those who have been against us drafting ruckman and see it as a wasted spot under Bevo this is one of the reasons why we need to get busy and draft a genuine ruckman. It's not just injuries you have to cover.

[bornadog]

If true, how could he say no? He's a Restricted Free Agent but I doubt we could match an offer of that magnitude.
For those who have been against us drafting ruckman and see it as a wasted spot under Bevo this is one of the reasons why we need to get busy and draft a genuine ruckman.

I can see Darcy becoming a ruckman

[GVGjr]

I can see Darcy becoming a ruckman

Yes, you've mentioned that from day one. I think it would be a waste if we used him that way and he just doesn't have the build for it and that might take a few years. He's got to get some continuity in his football before that. I think he's more of a Rory Lobb type forward/ruck.

[bornadog]

Yes, you've mentioned that from day one. I think it would be a waste if we used him that way and he just doesn't have the build for it and that might take a few years. He's got to get some continuity in his football before that. I think he's more of a Rory Lobb type forward/ruck.

We have been patient with Tim and pampered him to where he is now. He is a must keep.

[GVGjr]

We have been patient with Tim and pampered him to where he is now. He is a must keep.

We've been patient to the point that he's close to being a RFA just as he hit his straps.

[Bulldog Joe]

Yes, you've mentioned that from day one. I think it would be a waste if we used him that way and he just doesn't have the build for it and that might take a few years. He's got to get some continuity in his football before that. I think he's more of a Rory Lobb type forward/ruck.

Respectfully disagree.
Darcy has the potential to be the mobile marking tall and probably a better pure tap ruckman.
English has better running for both speed and capacity, but Darcy should be better suited to ruck than any other position.
He should develop into a goalkicking ruckman unless we decide he is the long term full forward.

[josie]

If Tim helps us win another premiership this year or next he can move to Wet Toast with my blessing. Will be even more enticing if we end up with a few really high end draft picks or equivalent value as compensation.

[bulldogtragic]

If Tim helps us win another premiership this year or next he can move to Wet Toast with my blessing. Will be even more enticing if we end up with a few really high end draft picks or equivalent value as compensation.

If he left next year as FA and we win a flag, the compo for him would be Pick 19. Shuffled down after matched bids and any other higher compo to other teams. So a single pick in the 20?s in real terms.

He?s worth a lot more trades this year? But if sign him if his salary request was reasonable.

(We could threaten to match the bid and force a trade, but it?s going to be less than trading this year if trade value is an issue)

[GVGjr]

Respectfully disagree.
Darcy has the potential to be the mobile marking tall and probably a better pure tap ruckman.
English has better running for both speed and capacity, but Darcy should be better suited to ruck than any other position.
He should develop into a goalkicking ruckman unless we decide he is the long term full forward.

We are poles apart on how we see Darcy at this stage.
He's had no continuity of football since he arrived including navicular, lung and now jaw plus some challenges during the pre-season so I don't get the notion of throwing him into a position that requires a higher level of physicality being a good one for him. He might get there but I wouldn't use a bunch of picks to get pick 2 for a ruck man given he didn't even play there as a junior.
I'd be more inclined to groom him as the Lobb replacement but respect where you are coming from.

[jazzadogs]

Just read that Tim English is a free agent after the 2024 season, and that West Coast are planning on throwing every kitchen sink on the planet at him (rumours of up to 7 year $10 million contract).

Are we any chance to keep him? Do we start collecting 20c coins now?

Are you suggesting that they will try to get him on that contract this year as a pre-agent?

If Tim did seek a trade to Wce this year, what do we see as best case scenario? Pick 1 by itself? Pick 1 plus others?

[mjp]

I think he's more of a Rory Lobb type forward/ruck.

Well, aren’t you a ray of sunshine!

[GVGjr]

Well, aren’t you a ray of sunshine!

Not sure how to respond to this
A forward who pitches in as a ruck is about where I see Darcy in the short to medium term. The fact that he can also play as a defender is impressive.

[Bulldog Joe]

We are poles apart on how we see Darcy at this stage.
He's had no continuity of football since he arrived including navicular, lung and now jaw plus some challenges during the pre-season so I don't get the notion of throwing him into a position that requires a higher level of physicality being a good one for him. He might get there but I wouldn't use a bunch of picks to get pick 2 for a ruck man given he didn't even play there as a junior.
I'd be more inclined to groom him as the Lobb replacement but respect where you are coming from.

While I agree that he has had some challenges and is a way off.

As he develops I certainly expect him to be much more than anything Rory Lobb can offer.

For pick 2 we should get a match winner and Darcy needs to be the goalkicking ruck or pure forward in the ilk of Paul Salmon.

I certainly hope he provides more reliability from about 2025 onwards.

My standard for him would be the best Joe Daniher but on a regular basis.

[GVGjr]

While I agree that he has had some challenges and is a way off.

As he develops I certainly expect him to be much more than anything Rory Lobb can offer.

For pick 2 we should get a match winner and Darcy needs to be the goalkicking ruck or pure forward in the ilk of Paul Salmon.

I certainly hope he provides more reliability from about 2025 onwards.

My standard for him would be the best Joe Daniher but on a regular basis.

That part makes the most sense, we need to be patient with him and almost manage him towards 2025. Throwing him into the ruck other than some supporting cameo's now and I suspect even next year probably won't achieve that.

I notice during the preseason that when he was on his marking was quite impressive and similar to what we have seen from Marra this year with an uncanny ability to mark the ball at a full stretch. This is why I'm vastly more bullish for him to be used anywhere other than in the ruck before he physically matures.

As for the Daniher comparison, when he is in full flight he looks so impressive. That would be huge to get Darcy somewhere near that standard.

[bornadog]