Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English

[The bulldog tragician]

Admittedly I’m the person who is totally disinterested in draft and recruitment machinations but it feels like on here we readily accept losing top talent coming into their prime for … what? The draft can be fools Gold. I’d hope we can sell something, a shared vision, a great club that is not far off contending, state of the art facilities, mateship, to young guns we’ve been patient with instead of pretty quickly accepting we won’t be in the race. How can we do that better rather than conceding is something we could work on.

[Grantysghost]

The non-conpetitiveness and limited ruck ability that Sedat has called are major limitations on English. It's killing us already. The ruck work could well improve but the non competitiveness is unlikely to.

I'd like to keep English as he has a tremendous skillset but we'd be a far superior team if he got even slightly more aggressive.

Is he really that limited, or are we seeing something that isn't there to suit an argument that may no longer exist?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Is he really that limited, or are we seeing something that isn't there to suit an argument that may no longer exist?

Well....not sure what argument youre referrong to but his ruckwork may be poor due to his lack of competitiveness which I think is the major issue. Watching him play frustrates me to no end knowing what he could be capable of doing if he just got a little agro.

[Grantysghost]

Well....not sure what argument youre referrong to but his ruckwork may be poor due to his lack of competitiveness which I think is the major issue. Watching him play frustrates me to no end knowing what he could be capable of doing if he just got a little agro.

Yeah I don't get that. He's super competitive to me.

We are stuffed if he leaves and West Coast will be able to blow us out of the water.

[bornadog]

Yeah I don't get that. He's super competitive to me.

We are stuffed if he leaves and West Coast will be able to blow us out of the water.

Spot on Granty - I don't get it at all.

Besides Tim is a happy boy

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Yeah I don't get that. He's super competitive to me.

We are stuffed if he leaves and West Coast will be able to blow us out of the water.

I guarantee you can pick out at least 2 or 3 times tomorrow night, contests that he should have a major influence over yet his presence will hardly be felt. For a guy his size, he should be more Max Gawn in ruck and marking contets than Caleb Daniel. Boundary throw ins are a prime example.

I'll caveat all this by saying I think he's still a good player despite this drawback. I just think he can be a lot better and more imposing on games.

[lemmon]

Yeah I don't get that. He's super competitive to me.

We are stuffed if he leaves and West Coast will be able to blow us out of the water.

Agree with that. It's also a completely subjective 'eye' thing, but I don't watch English go into the D50 hole, run other rucks into the ground or average 4.5 tackles a game and see anything other than a competitor and great athlete in his prime. That performance against Geelong really stood out for me - I thought he put the side on his back and tried to drag us over the line in a way that no one else except Bont is capable of in our 22.

I feel like we might not know what we have until it's gone, with big Tim.

[bornadog]

I guarantee you can pick out at least 2 or 3 times tomorrow night, contests that he should have a major influence over yet his presence will hardly be felt. For a guy his size, he should be more Max Gawn in ruck and marking contets than Caleb Daniel. Boundary throw ins are a prime example.

I'll caveat all this by saying I think he's still a good player despite this drawback. I just think he can be a lot better and more imposing on games.

Yet he is 4th for rucks in contested Poss.

[Axe Man]

I guarantee you can pick out at least 2 or 3 times tomorrow night, contests that he should have a major influence over yet his presence will hardly be felt. For a guy his size, he should be more Max Gawn in ruck and marking contets than Caleb Daniel. Boundary throw ins are a prime example.

I'll caveat all this by saying I think he's still a good player despite this drawback. I just think he can be a lot better and more imposing on games.

I also disagree with this view. Sounds like you are describing the 2021 and prior version of English rather than the 2023 model. Nobody wins every contest, every ruck will get outmaneuvered, but I don't notice him being easily pushed around or not trying anymore.

[Mantis]

I also disagree with this view. Sounds like you are describing the 2021 and prior version of English rather than the 2023 model. Nobody wins every contest, every ruck will get outmaneuvered, but I don't notice him being easily pushed around or not trying anymore.

Agree with that, he doesn't get outmaneuvered anymore as he has the physical capabilities to compete but he does get out-positioned, and I feel bt&t is referencing the fact that Tim is often behind at boundary throw-ins which means his opponent often has a direct path to the ball.

[jeemak]

Sometimes he puts in shit efforts when he loses concentration and that's OK. Nobody's perfect and it's happening less, so as long as its improving that's all I can ask.

He's been excellent across the board this year and would be sorely missed.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Agree with that, he doesn't get outmaneuvered anymore as he has the physical capabilities to compete but he does get out-positioned, and I feel bt&t is referencing the fact that Tim is often behind at boundary throw-ins which means his opponent often has a direct path to the ball.

Yes this. It happens too often. He also tends to sag off in marking contets as well. He also doesnt impose himself enough in around the ground ruck rontests. The game against port in adelaide was bad, especially when Lycett went off.

This doesnt happen as often as it used to, i agree but he's often the tallest guy on the ground and needs to show that. I'm happy with his progression. I just hope it continues.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Yet he is 4th for rucks in contested Poss.

It's like saying we're great at kicking goals because we dominate inside 50s.

[bornadog]

Yes this. It happens too often. He also tends to sag off in marking contets as well. He also doesnt impose himself enough in around the ground ruck rontests. The game against port in adelaide was bad, especially when Lycett went off.

This doesnt happen as often as it used to, i agree but he's often the tallest guy on the ground and needs to show that. I'm happy with his progression. I just hope it continues.

It's like saying we're great at kicking goals because we dominate inside 50s.

bad analogy - I don't get it. If he is good at cont poss then he is contesting.

He is also the number one for disposals by all ruckman - so he gets alot of the ball around the ground.

[azabob]

Sometimes he puts in shit efforts when he loses concentration and that's OK. Nobody's perfect and it's happening less, so as long as its improving that's all I can ask.

He's been excellent across the board this year and would be sorely missed.

Hang on... you've been telling me for years you are perfect...