Who would you have JMac target this year?

[bulldogtragic]

What could we realistically expect in terms of a draft pick for JJ?

I've run through a few different scenarios. It depends on who we are dealing with, and of course, if he is leaving.

[jeemak]

At this stage a straight swap for a first round pick in the high singles or low teens is the best we could hope for. If he plays poorly for the rest of the year I would assume the offer that is presumably in front of him will evaporate.

[Happy Days]

Ben Reid (who's been linked to us many times) just got dropped by the Pies, and Matt Scharenberg (who I believe we were keen on in his draft year) can't get a game. Any interest here? They can definitely both play.

I'm unsure of their contract status.

[Axe Man]

Ben Reid (who's been linked to us many times) just got dropped by the Pies, and Matt Scharenberg (who I believe we were keen on in his draft year) can't get a game. Any interest here? They can definitely both play.

I'm unsure of their contract status.

Both contracted until the end of 2018. They have stuck with Scharenburg through his multiple injury problems so you wouldn't think he would go anywhere this year.

[bulldogtragic]

What could we realistically expect in terms of a draft pick for JJ?

So I've thought about it. If I'm Freo I'd be looking at St Kilda having something like picks 3 & 9 and be encouraging Fyfe towards them. Perhaps pick 6 for picks 3 & 9. WCE could have pick 11. Something around a straight trade at 9 or 11 would be fair value. So hopefully he wants Freo and we get pick 9.

So that'd give us 9, 10, 28 & 38. As I've previously said I'd target a draft points trade with Brisbane owing to Callenden going before their pick 19. The draft points trade we did with GCS last year was a net 170 points extra to GCS. Our picks 28 & 38 would be an extra 171 points to Brisbane. So it's about right, we can throw in a Honey or Campbell as steak knives if they had interest. So that (hopefully) gets us pick 19.

So then we have picks 9, 10 & 19 with nothing to use before pick 80 unless we trade fringe players around. The question is what can we trade them for. Last year Tom Mitchell was pick 14 and O'Meara was about pick 10 and a (future) second rounder. So is this achievable?

Josh Kelly - Pick 9 & 2018 Second Rounder/Pick 19
Jake Lever - Pick 10 & Pick 19/2018 Second Rounder (with or without Hamilton)

Adelaide were forcefully told if they want to talk Gibbs they need two first rounders. They'd have pick 10, 15-18 & 19. Enough to get Gibbs (pick 10 & 15-18) and an Allir Allir type (pick 19).
GWS get yet another top 10 pick and second rounder to use of trade in more top end talent. Yeh for them.
Dogs get two ready to go players. Won't be in the draft until about pick 80, or a smidge earlier if fringe trades occur, and will worry about draft points in 2018 in 2018 (with our first and third picks in tact).

Free agency available to JMac with a lot of cash. May one or even two to really bulk up the best 22 for Round 1 2018.

[bulldogtragic]

And I'd throw a four year contract worth about $600,000 at Tom Rockliff. That's about what Hawthorn gave Frawley and it netted Melbourne pick 3 compo. He's avaging nearly 30 touches a game in the top category across the league for contested possessions, clearances and inside 50's with a much better disposal efficiency than Dusty Martin. If making sure they get good compo, pick 2, helps us secure the pick 19 above that's good too.

Seperate trades though, no dodgy stuff.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

So I've thought about it. If I'm Freo I'd be looking at St Kilda having something like picks 3 & 9 and be encouraging Fyfe towards them. Perhaps pick 6 for picks 3 & 9. WCE could have pick 11. Something around a straight trade at 9 or 11 would be fair value. So hopefully he wants Freo and we get pick 9.

So that'd give us 9, 10, 28 & 38. As I've previously said I'd target a draft points trade with Brisbane owing to Callenden going before their pick 19. The draft points trade we did with GCS last year was a net 170 points extra to GCS. Our picks 28 & 38 would be an extra 171 points to Brisbane. So it's about right, we can throw in a Honey or Campbell as steak knives if they had interest. So that (hopefully) gets us pick 19.

So then we have picks 9, 10 & 19 with nothing to use before pick 80 unless we trade fringe players around. The question is what can we trade them for. Last year Tom Mitchell was pick 14 and O'Meara was about pick 10 and a (future) second rounder. So is this achievable?

Josh Kelly - Pick 9 & 2018 Second Rounder/Pick 19
Jake Lever - Pick 10 & Pick 19/2018 Second Rounder (with or without Hamilton)

Adelaide were forcefully told if they want to talk Gibbs they need two first rounders. They'd have pick 10, 15-18 & 19. Enough to get Gibbs (pick 10 & 15-18) and an Allir Allir type (pick 19).
GWS get yet another top 10 pick and second rounder to use of trade in more top end talent. Yeh for them.
Dogs get two ready to go players. Won't be in the draft until about pick 80, or a smidge earlier if fringe trades occur, and will worry about draft points in 2018 in 2018 (with our first and third picks in tact).

Free agency available to JMac with a lot of cash. May one or even two to really bulk up the best 22 for Round 1 2018.

Not meaning to blow smoke up your proverbial, but Jayzus you've got a level of deep understanding of these trade machinations. Not to mention a flair for marrying up feasible outcomes based on potential scenarios that may be suitable for ceetain trade partners.

I mean it's not that these will necessarily transpire as you propose; there's too many unknown variables at play. But jees its certainly an improvement on the old '5 of our crap players equals 1 gun player' that is often bandied about on other sites.

It really adds to the quality of debate on this forum. Nice work BT.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

And I'd throw a four year contract worth about $600,000 at Tom Rockliff. That's about what Hawthorn gave Frawley and it netted Melbourne pick 3 compo. He's avaging nearly 30 touches a game in the top category across the league for contested possessions, clearances and inside 50's with a much better disposal efficiency than Dusty Martin. If making sure they get good compo, pick 2, helps us secure the pick 19 above that's good too.

Seperate trades though, no dodgy stuff.

Rockliff may also make sense given we are very likely to lose 3 very senior leaders come season end in Boyd, Murphy & Morris.

[Dry Rot]

How did WCE McKenzie go today?

[bulldogtragic]

How did WCE McKenzie go today?

Good enough for an FA offer if we don't land Lever.

[bulldogtragic]

Not meaning to blow smoke up your proverbial, but Jayzus you've got a level of deep understanding of these trade machinations. Not to mention a flair for marrying up feasible outcomes based on potential scenarios that may be suitable for ceetain trade partners.

I mean it's not that these will necessarily transpire as you propose; there's too many unknown variables at play. But jees its certainly an improvement on the old '5 of our crap players equals 1 gun player' that is often bandied about on other sites.

It really adds to the quality of debate on this forum. Nice work BT.

Thanks YHF. I think there's just two key parts in my thoughts. JJ getting first round at Essendon (pick 9), WCE (pick 11) or Freo (pick 8 give or take). Then putting a good draft points trade to Brisbane to get pick 19.

So say it's 3 picks between 9 & 19 then that's where we are then in a position to make calls. So I'm wanting to see those two done quick. If we landed a Fyfe or Rockliff FA, we may not want to invest in Kelly in addition. If we landed McKenzie as a FA we may not want to over invest in Lever. If I'm JMac, until I can see that we can deliver it well to forwards then I don't want to invest in any more high cost forwards at this stage. As you say lots of moving parts, but I hope we can get can to three between picks 9-19, plunder free agency and trade aggressively (& responsibly).

[jeemak]

Paul Puopolo is contracted with the Hawks to the close of 2018. Is he the type of player we could interest Hawthorn parting with to help get them back into the draft or bring some younger talent onto their list?

I am concerned about the prospect of Smith being our major tackling forward given his history of injury, we use Dahl in the middle for significant chunks and in my view lack a specialist forward pocket.

If so, what would he cost given he'll be 30 next year, and how quickly will he drop off form wise as he ages?

[bulldogtragic]

Paul Puopolo is contracted with the Hawks to the close of 2018. Is he the type of player we could interest Hawthorn parting with to help get them back into the draft or bring some younger talent onto their list?

I am concerned about the prospect of Smith being our major tackling forward given his history of injury, we use Dahl in the middle for significant chunks and in my view lack a specialist forward pocket.

If so, what would he cost given he'll be 30 next year, and how quickly will he drop off form wise as he ages?

I was thinking about this issue (forward pocket) and agree with you, and I ended up falling with looking at Devon Smith. I reckon they'd want something very good for Poppy, and I'm not sure we will get enough years out of him to cover the outlay.

[Ozza]

I was thinking about this issue (forward pocket) and agree with you, and I ended up falling with looking at Devon Smith. I reckon they'd want something very good for Poppy, and I'm not sure we will get enough years out of him to cover the outlay.

Would be surprised if we could pry out Devon Smith. Hearing him speak about the Giants, he sounds very committed to the club and his team mates.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Would be surprised if we could pry out Devon Smith. Hearing him speak about the Giants, he sounds very committed to the club and his team mates.

Won't be an easy decision for him.

Know him/his family - he has close ties at home - but he is close with a few of the players up there.