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31-12-2020, 12:09 PM
#316
Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.
Originally Posted by
jeemak
Only if we actually play Martin will he provide that versatility. It will be a big change for the MC if they start playing Martin as a specialist ruck with English as back up, but not necessarily an unwelcome one.
But if they do, it creates problems for our forward line given the strange and unusual situation we find ourselves in where we have a surplus of talls in the area that can actually play league footy, with one just drafted as the number one pick who probably will be able to give it a crack as well in a reasonable amount of time.
It's not a bad problem to have. And possibly might give us some flexibility in defence should we choose to balance the time of each of Naughton and Bruce with some defencive responsibilities if the opposition we face week to week requires a change to match up with. Naughton in particular could be the best swing man going around.
Who'd have thought some Jackson Trengove social media quotes would turn into this! Great stuff.
You have pointed out a glaring problem here. This flexibility has been missing from the selected teams for some time.
We always played ‘xxxxxx’ in role ‘yyyyy’ . Player ‘xxxxx’ could be Bruce, Daniel, English etc. Opposition teams plan their tactics and we are very slow to adjust during the game. Look what happened when Daniel was finally moved during the final.
The flexibility we have sought has been ‘anyone can ruck ‘ ( think Dunkley, ,Schache, Bruce...), and it has failed every time. The flexibility we need is based upon what the players can actually do.
Carefully Using Martin (and Sweet?) opens up massive opportunities if we adopt your ‘flexibility ‘ mindset.
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31-12-2020, 12:29 PM
#317
Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.
Originally Posted by
comrade
Trenners was just a bad fit all round. Didn't fit Bevo's versatile defender preference, and wasn't good enough as a ruckman to really make a difference.
I still believe we'd have won the final against St Kilda if Trengove played instead of Josh Bruce (English pushing forward more, Trengove neutralizing Ryder to a bigger extent than English was able to).
In fact, I think if we swapped Trengove and Bruce in 2020, we'd have been better off in general (but that says more about Bruce than it does about Trengove.)
I went up to Ballarat in 2019 and saw Trengove ruck singlehandly against Martin and McIrnerney. He had 27 hitouts, they had more. But he had as many disposals as his 2 opponents combined. He was a huge factor in our unexpected win, and the team’s confidence lifted noticeably.
He also rucked against two opponents the following week against Geelong and performed well.
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31-12-2020, 12:34 PM
#318
Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.
Originally Posted by
Danjul
I went up to Ballarat in 2019 and saw Trengove ruck singlehandly against Martin and McIrnerney. He had 27 hitouts, they had more. But he had as many disposals as his 2 opponents combined. He was a huge factor in our unexpected win, and the team’s confidence lifted noticeably.
He also rucked against two opponents the following week against Geelong and performed well.
There are clearly differing views on a ruckman's performances amongst our members here. What we would see as a positive performance from English could easily been seen as an average one from Trengove
I was at that game as well and thought he was a good performer on the day. He was very much a spare parts player for us but I also think he was underutilized this year. Anyway we have moved on and I look forward to seeing what Martin brings us both in terms of his ruck work and helping English and Sweet develop.
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31-12-2020, 10:32 PM
#319
Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
There are clearly differing views on a ruckman's performances amongst our members here. What we would see as a positive performance from English could easily been seen as an average one from Trengove
I was at that game as well and thought he was a good performer on the day. He was very much a spare parts player for us but I also think he was underutilized this year. Anyway we have moved on and I look forward to seeing what Martin brings us both in terms of his ruck work and helping English and Sweet develop.
It'd be pretty boring if we all agreed. I think the differing opinions that Danjul and Kruder and a few others have bought to this thread (and a few other threads) have made it/them pretty interesting this off season.
They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.
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01-01-2021, 02:41 AM
#320
Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.
Originally Posted by
Twodogs
It'd be pretty boring if we all agreed. I think the differing opinions that Danjul and Kruder and a few others have bought to this thread (and a few other threads) have made it/them pretty interesting this off season.
This is me logging onto WOOF and finding out everyone agrees with me:
Thankfully it rarely happens!
Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.
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01-01-2021, 01:41 PM
#321
Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.
Originally Posted by
jeemak
This is me logging onto WOOF and finding out everyone agrees with me:
Thankfully it rarely happens!
Yeah, nah, it never happens with me.
However I will agree that Being John Malkovich is an amazing film.
They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.
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03-01-2021, 08:22 PM
#322
Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.
Originally Posted by
jeemak
This is me logging onto WOOF and finding out everyone agrees with me:
Thankfully it rarely happens!
We’re not doing a rebuild.
Great discussion team. Appreciate it.
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04-01-2021, 12:14 AM
#323
Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.
Originally Posted by
Go_Dogs
We’re not doing a rebuild.
Great discussion team. Appreciate it.
Because it is almost complete
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