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    Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post

    Not sure why you keep talking about Tom's Back. Tom already stated in interviews as well as Mike Sheahan's show Ă–pen mike", that he had mental health issues and lost the passion for playing football. - watch here. He did have back issues, but seemed to be managing it as he was prepared to play season 2019 after going through a preseason.
    You know he was seeking advice overseas to fix his back don't you? I don't think he had the confidence of our medical department to find a solution and he missed a fair chunk of the season because of it. We also knew about his mental health challenges (and later with Travis Cloke) I just find it intriguing that knowing he had an issue with his back that curtailed his season we didn't look to the draft or trade period late that year to provide some coverage.
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    Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.

    Wow this one is quite a passionate discussion.

    I would have played Jackson a little more If it was my choice but at the same time and we debated it at the time we payed 1.2mill for player that was consistently playing state based football. He was on the decline well and truly before he got the kennel and for what ever reason was never able to recapture that form.

    The standard line goes, you have pay overs to get someone out but a reserves based player? Jackson has been payed well he just needs to move on with his life enjoy his Family.

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    Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.

    Quote Originally Posted by kruder View Post
    Wow this one is quite a passionate discussion.

    I would have played Jackson a little more If it was my choice but at the same time and we debated it at the time we payed 1.2mill for player that was consistently playing state based football. He was on the decline well and truly before he got the kennel and for what ever reason was never able to recapture that form.

    The standard line goes, you have pay overs to get someone out but a reserves based player? Jackson has been payed well he just needs to move on with his life enjoy his Family.
    Other than this year, Jackson played on average 19 games throughout 2010 to 2019 - ie over 10 years. Not sure where you got that statement from? If you are talking just 2020, fine.
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    Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.

    His return of games for us was solid in 2018 and 2019.......given he was probably just OK for a lot of them. He came to us having had some patchy form at Port, and with the type of player he is he was always a chance of being up against it for a spot in the side in his last year.

    That's not to say he shouldn't have been given more of a go in 2020.
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    Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Danjul View Post
    Exactly, and playing him in the ruck so often and so young has wasted a lot of this.
    I was lazy and didn't finish the sentence. The full sentence would have said that Tim's point of difference is compared "to ruckmen like Grundy and Gawn" English will get stronger. Grundy and Gawn won't get anymore athletic. Every time Tim learns a new trick in the ruck (or like Gawn says "that's ruck craft, baby") it's money in the bank for us. He can run them around and compete better for ground balls than them.

    Besides we have to get games into Marra to learn forward craft. We can't do that if English is down there. Footy is pretty simple. Get good players and play them where they're best suited. That means English in the ruck and Marra and Naughton forward. For me Martin is one too many and will hinder English's development.
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    Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Other than this year, Jackson played on average 19 games throughout 2010 to 2019 - ie over 10 years. Not sure where you got that statement from? If you are talking just 2020, fine.
    I'm not talking average games Jackson played his best football long before he got to the dogs hence why he ended up in the reserves at Port. He was basically just a fringe player but earlier in his career he was a lot better than that.

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    Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.

    Quote Originally Posted by kruder View Post
    I'm not talking average games Jackson played his best football long before he got to the dogs hence why he ended up in the reserves at Port. He was basically just a fringe player but earlier in his career he was a lot better than that.
    He only played a couple of games in the reserves.

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    Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.

    Quote Originally Posted by kruder View Post
    I'm not talking average games Jackson played his best football long before he got to the dogs hence why he ended up in the reserves at Port. He was basically just a fringe player but earlier in his career he was a lot better than that.
    I could be wrong but my recollection of 2019 is:
    when Trengove and Schache played the Dogs won, when they were omitted the Dogs lost.

    They were both in the team for most of that run into the finals.

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    Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    He only played a couple of games in the reserves.

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    He was dropped just before finals for Port, then the same thing happened with us. Probably not great for the confidence.
    No one has ever said he's Matthew Scarlett or Polly Farmer but it's a fair question to ask why he wasn't getting a game when we were struggling in the area he plays. Maybe he was just past it, maybe he had a falling out with the coach. Maybe both.

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    Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Danjul View Post
    I could be wrong but my recollection of 2019 is:
    when Trengove and Schache played the Dogs won, when they were omitted the Dogs lost.

    They were both in the team for most of that run into the finals.
    We were 9-7 with Trengove in, 8-6 with Schache, so roughly in line with our 12-10 finish.
    5-3 with both in together from my count, but I had to do that manually so I might be wrong.

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    Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Twodogs View Post
    I was lazy and didn't finish the sentence. The full sentence would have said that Tim's point of difference is compared "to ruckmen like Grundy and Gawn" English will get stronger. Grundy and Gawn won't get anymore athletic. Every time Tim learns a new trick in the ruck (or like Gawn says "that's ruck craft, baby") it's money in the bank for us. He can run them around and compete better for ground balls than them.

    Besides we have to get games into Marra to learn forward craft. We can't do that if English is down there. Footy is pretty simple. Get good players and play them where they're best suited. That means English in the ruck and Marra and Naughton forward. For me Martin is one too many and will hinder English's development.
    English after 4 years is yet to prove he is going to make it as a key ruck man. He may well prove to be a better key forward given his aerial and ground skills. Martin has proved to be a good ruck man for a number of years with the Lions and will take a lot of pressure off English and provide far more versatility for the team.

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    Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nuggety Back Pocket View Post
    English after 4 years is yet to prove he is going to make it as a key ruck man. He may well prove to be a better key forward given his aerial and ground skills. Martin has proved to be a good ruck man for a number of years with the Lions and will take a lot of pressure off English and provide far more versatility for the team.
    Only if we actually play Martin will he provide that versatility. It will be a big change for the MC if they start playing Martin as a specialist ruck with English as back up, but not necessarily an unwelcome one.

    But if they do, it creates problems for our forward line given the strange and unusual situation we find ourselves in where we have a surplus of talls in the area that can actually play league footy, with one just drafted as the number one pick who probably will be able to give it a crack as well in a reasonable amount of time.

    It's not a bad problem to have. And possibly might give us some flexibility in defence should we choose to balance the time of each of Naughton and Bruce with some defencive responsibilities if the opposition we face week to week requires a change to match up with. Naughton in particular could be the best swing man going around.

    Who'd have thought some Jackson Trengove social media quotes would turn into this! Great stuff.
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    Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sedat View Post
    The recruitment of Trengove was either a big failure of the coaching/match committee or a big failure of the recruiting/list management team. Either way it was a big failure.
    He played two seasons of sixteen games with the odd hurdle in 2018 and 2019, and fell out of favour this year when seemingly from the one shot he got deteriorating physically. I get that's not great, though not sure that constitutes a big failure from either the coaching/ MC or the recruting/ list management folks at the club.

    Did we overpay him (what were we paying him, $400K a year)? Possibly, and given Port didn't match the bid they either thought we were or thought his best footy was well and truly behind him and didn't think he was worth hanging on to - irrespective of his much vaunted leadership capabilities. At the end of the day he was a guy who could play AFL footy for us in areas of need and in his last year it turned out we preferred others.
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    Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.

    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    He played two seasons of sixteen games with the odd hurdle in 2018 and 2019, and fell out of favour this year when seemingly from the one shot he got deteriorating physically. I get that's not great, though not sure that constitutes a big failure from either the coaching/ MC or the recruting/ list management folks at the club.

    Did we overpay him (what were we paying him, $400K a year)? Possibly, and given Port didn't match the bid they either thought we were or thought his best footy was well and truly behind him and didn't think he was worth hanging on to - irrespective of his much vaunted leadership capabilities. At the end of the day he was a guy who could play AFL footy for us in areas of need and in his last year it turned out we preferred others.
    Was it just under 1.1M over 3 years? I think we got a reasonable return for his services albeit the coach wouldn't play him this year
    I think Port were happy to keep him but there was a realization that Westhoff was ahead of him as a defender and spare parts tall and Marshall ahead of him to partner Dixon up forward. They also had some depth in the ruck
    I still recall our poor start to the 2019 season and the turnaround with our on field performances when Trengove returned to back line and Dunkley to the midfield. I think he still had something to offer us this year but he wasn't really given a chance with Gardner and of course Keath the preferred options.
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    Re: Jackson Trengove-welcome to the Bulldogs.

    Trenners was just a bad fit all round. Didn't fit Bevo's versatile defender preference, and wasn't good enough as a ruckman to really make a difference.

    I still believe we'd have won the final against St Kilda if Trengove played instead of Josh Bruce (English pushing forward more, Trengove neutralizing Ryder to a bigger extent than English was able to).

    In fact, I think if we swapped Trengove and Bruce in 2020, we'd have been better off in general (but that says more about Bruce than it does about Trengove.)
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