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Re: Rourke Smith
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
I don't think we have the room for too much sentiment because if there is a Fuller or Thorne available you go with Smith.
Do you think someone is going to pinch him from us and it will bite us in the arse?
No. If he's done everything required he's worth a one year offer with pick 80 or so. We either need to cut him all together or promote him and give him the confidence of the club that we believe he can make the grade. Delisting him off the rookie list just to re-rookie list him doesn't give him any confidence that we think he can make it. That would be a self fulfilling prophecy. So there only two options, cur him, promote him.
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Re: Roarke Smith
It looks like he will be given another year or two. Good luck to him
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Re: Roarke Smith
The AFL should have it that if a player suffers long term injuries they can get that time added back on to your rookie time to make up for lost development.
Don't piss off old people
The older we get the less "LIFE IN PRISON" is a deterrent...
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Re: Roarke Smith
I'm amazed we're giving him a senior list spot (apparently).
Re-rookie him. If somebody else snaps him up, good for them.
Hardly shown anything that screams "keep me".
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Re: Roarke Smith
Originally Posted by
The Bulldogs Bite
I'm amazed we're giving him a senior list spot (apparently).
Re-rookie him. If somebody else snaps him up, good for them.
Hardly shown anything that screams "keep me".
I agree, it seems like a potential waste of a list spot.
I could be wrong but it feels like we're trying to correct some flaws that have developed over the last 12 months and are making a concerted effort to reinforce certain values within the playing group. Roarke's had plenty of set backs, yet seems like a solid citizen and a good teammate, so we're rewarding him for that. We're seeing the opposite happen with Stringer.
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Re: Roarke Smith
Im ok with another year - we've been very good at looking after injured recruits - prudden, smith etc
It might cost us but it shows we attempt to look after our people - and we have a long history with our veterans also
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Re: Roarke Smith
In a team that is not blessed with raw athleticism and marking ability, assuming Roarke can overcome his 2 acl's successfully, he is worth keeping. Likely better than 80 in draft. Club would know and have done research on trading in other players that are moneyball types like Biggs, hamling and would account for different scenarios.
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Re: Roarke Smith
Originally Posted by
The Bulldogs Bite
I'm amazed we're giving him a senior list spot (apparently).
Re-rookie him. If somebody else snaps him up, good for them.
Hardly shown anything that screams "keep me".
I don't understand it if that's true. He's coming off two knee reconstructions and hasn't yet shown he's up to it. I'd be very surprised if another club snapped him up.
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Re: Roarke Smith
I disagree he has been impressive at VFL level and can't see any harm in giving him a year if we could secure him with apick 80 plus.
He has good hands and a good leap, a Easton Wood type.
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Re: Roarke Smith
Originally Posted by
bornadog
I disagree he has been impressive at VFL level and can't see any harm in giving him a year if we could secure him with apick 80 plus.
He has good hands and a good leap, a Easton Wood type.
How does the 80+ pick work?
Are you suggesting he should be delisted and redrafted at the ND or upgraded now?
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Re: Roarke Smith
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
How does the 80+ pick work?
Are you suggesting he should be delisted and redrafted at the ND or upgraded now?
I think BADs suggesting that instead of using pick 80 as our last pick, we elevate RS in lieu of same.
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Re: Roarke Smith
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
I think BADs suggesting that instead of using pick 80 as our last pick, we elevate RS in lieu of same.
I had another read and I think he is suggesting Smith is better or safer bet than players likely to be available in the 80's. I'd argue that most players on a list for 3 years would be assessed as better or at least marginally better than a speculative late pick but the real question is if the incumbent is still likely to play close to 60 senior games or more? I also wonder why Smith is getting retained using that logic and Honeychurch the flick given he is most likely better than any player we might pick up with an 80th selection.
Where that argument also doesn't stand up with me is what if our last pick is in the 40's or 50's? This is a likely scenario
Sometimes you have to make the hard call and we haven't always been good at that. I get why we might think retaining him is a positive option and I hope it works
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Re: Roarke Smith
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
How does the 80+ pick work?
Are you suggesting he should be delisted and redrafted at the ND or upgraded now?
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
I think BADs suggesting that instead of using pick 80 as our last pick, we elevate RS in lieu of same.
Correct
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Re: Roarke Smith
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
I had another read and I think he is suggesting Smith is better or safer bet than players likely to be available in the 80's. I'd argue that most players on a list for 3 years would be assessed as better or at least marginally better than a speculative late pick but the real question is if the incumbent is still likely to play close to 60 senior games or more? I also wonder why Smith is getting retained using that logic and Honeychurch the flick given he is most likely better than any player we might pick up with an 80th selection.
Where that argument also doesn't stand up with me is what if our last pick is in the 40's or 50's? This is a likely scenario
Sometimes you have to make the hard call and we haven't always been good at that. I get why we might think retaining him is a positive option and I hope it works
Hard calls aren't always a decision to drop someone off a list though. Sometimes it's just as hard to give someone another chance.
But you're right we are historically bad at making calls that will advantage or improve the club over the benefit of an individual.
They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.
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Re: Roarke Smith
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Correct
So do you back him for a year or two?
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