The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018

[Axe Man]

Which part? Do we currently have 4 or 5 spots available?

I would say we currently have 3 primary list spots (7 out, 4 in assuming Gowers & Lynch upgrades). Honeychurch will make 4 if he is delisted. Of course assuming Campbell & Libba re-sign.

[The Doctor]

Doc are you sure we currently have 5 spots on the list? I mentioned the other day that we had 33 senior listed players from last year plus we have had 2 additions via trades and two upgrades from the rookie list. That should give us a playing list of 37 players and therefore 5 live picks but I think there is a school of thought that we only have 4 picks at the draft.

When you look at the outs from last year, Adams, Biggs, Collins, Dahlhaus, Redpath, Roughead and C.Smith that is only 7 spots but 8 if you assume Honeychurch is gone.
Add Gowers, Lynch, Lloyd and Duryea and we are back to 4 spots

I'm sure I've missed something but I'm not sure what that is

By the way, Webb might be the better candidate to move to the rookie list depending on how bad his injury is

that is all correct but I'm suggesting we add Porter to the rookie list to give us a 5th pick

[bulldogtragic]

I would say we currently have 3 primary list spots (7 out, 4 in assuming Gowers & Lynch upgrades). Honeychurch will make 4 if he is delisted. Of course assuming Campbell & Libba re-sign.

My reading is 4 when Honeychurch gets delisted (8 out, 8 in). If we want a fifth pick, then I'd take the risk on Campbell to get back to us in the rookie draft. If he doesn't, then we get a similar type from a state league. Being he will be lucky to play under Bevo, we can't do a lot worse than Campbell. That's if we really want a fifth pick, &/or four picks and a delisted free agent.

[Bulldog Joe]

Rookie elevations haven't taken place in the draft for a number of years. They occur prior to the draft. I'm not entirely sure of the required timing but I would generally expect them to take place by list lodgement 1 at the end of October.

The one thing we need on draft night is list spots. We can't use the points for 2 draft places if we are confined to 1 available list place when we decide to match any bid on Khamis.

[GVGjr]

My reading is 4 when Honeychurch gets delisted (8 out, 8 in). If we want a fifth pick, then I'd take the risk on Campbell to get back to us in the rookie draft. If he doesn't, then we get a similar type from a state league. Being he will be lucky to play under Bevo, we can't do a lot worse than Campbell. That's if we really want a fifth pick, &/or four picks and a delisted free agent.

While I don't think running the gauntlet with ruckman is the way to go I think this makes sense in that at best Campbell might play 3 or 4 games. I do believe we should go into this draft with at least 4 picks or better still 5.

If we can also shuffle Webb onto the rookie list as well we should consider it.

I guess we will soon know if Campbell is wanted by the club or not

[Bulldog Joe]

While I don't think running the gauntlet with ruckman is the way to go I think this makes sense in that at best Campbell might play 3 or 4 games. I do believe we should go into this draft with at least 4 picks or better still 5.

If we can also shuffle Webb onto the rookie list as well we should consider it.

I guess we will soon know if Campbell is wanted by the club or not

Webb to the rookie list would appear appropriate. Reports indicate he is a long way off playing again (if ever) and it does give the list spot we need on draft night.

Just as easy to pay his contract from the Rookie List anyway.

[S Coast Simon]

We may end up keeping everyone we have now.
7,27,32,45,63,75,82 are our picks

7 will go on a gun kid
Hopefully West gets to 15-18 which uses 27 and a bit of 32 pushing it back to say 43
We use 43 on Karmis
we use 45 on a new pick
we use 63 on a new pick
we use 75 on Gowers
and is it Lynch that is the other upgrade

That’s our seven picks used unless we delist any of the boys this what we have to play with

[Axe Man]

We may end up keeping everyone we have now.
7,27,32,45,63,75,82 are our picks

7 will go on a gun kid
Hopefully West gets to 15-18 which uses 27 and a bit of 32 pushing it back to say 43
We use 43 on Karmis
we use 45 on a new pick
we use 63 on a new pick
we use 75 on Gowers
and is it Lynch that is the other upgrade

That’s our seven picks used unless we delist any of the boys this what we have to play with

We only have as many picks as we have vacant list spots and rookie promotions take place PRIOR to the draft. If we keep everyone we have now we will only have 3 vacant primary list spots, can't see that happening.

If we have say 4 vacant list spots we will only take 7, 27, 32 and 45 to the draft.

[Bulldog Joe]

We only have as many picks as we have vacant list spots and rookie promotions take place PRIOR to the draft. If we keep everyone we have now we will only have 3 vacant primary list spots, can't see that happening.

If we have say 4 vacant list spots we will only take 7, 27, 32 and 45 to the draft.

This is why we need at least 5 spots open on draft night, even if we redraft someone we delist.

[GVGjr]

This is why we need at least 5 spots open on draft night, even if we redraft someone we delist.

I think 5 is a good number, we can't go in with just 3 or 4.

[Rocco Jones]

It will be interesting to see what we do with Campbell/ruck back up. The rule change allowing rucks to grab the ball without it being automatically being equal to prior opportunity will mean less midfielders filling in the ruck IMO.

JT, English and Boyd are our only real 1st ruck options. English is still raw and Boyd is really hard to pencil in due to more pressing personal issues.

I think Schache and Zaine Cordy can fill in as second rucks but it's a stretch.

We need another ruckman who is ready to go in 2019. Would be happy to have Zac Clarke in that spot. Rule change might save Campbell's career. Only reason I don't see him as an auto delist.

[S Coast Simon]

I am surprised we haven’t got onto Zak Clarke I would of though he is the hybrid type that Bevo would like in the ruck. The last couple of years with the rule changes has bought ruckman back into a very important role. We need to get with the times in this instance and get a top quality ruckman ( this will be English if we don’t break him. You could see plain as day he needed a rest a few weeks before he got injured).

[Axe Man]

Scott Lucas on Tom Campbell:

Lucas also gave an update on another uncontracted player from his stable, with Western Bulldogs ruckman Tom Campbell still in the dark on whether he'll continue on at Whitten Oval.

The 26-year-old has only played 42 games in seven seasons at the Dogs and didn't manage a senior game in 2018.

"(Tom doesn't have a contract) at this stage, but we're just working through that with the Bulldogs," Lucas said.

Tom Liberatore, who is expected to be re-signed by the Bulldogs, and Mitch Honeychurch are the other two players at the club without deals for next season.

[Twodogs]

I wouldn't have thought that big Tom has been on our list since he was 19.

[Axe Man]

I wouldn't have thought that big Tom has been on our list since he was 19.

Because he hasn't. He turns 27 next week so would have just turned 20 when we drafted him.