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    The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018

    Time stops for no one. Next off-season firms as a crucial year. So basic forward looking:

    Retiring Candidates based on age (obviously form & fitness are more important than dob): Morris & Cloke (2)

    Candidates needing a strong year: Collins, Smith, Campbell (3)

    Trading Candidates: With several clubs inquiring on Jong this trade period, off an ACL, if he has a strong year those clubs might be back. But with a healthy salary cap, hopefully that's not a problem. (1)

    Free Agent Status: Roughead, Dahl, Libba, Wallis, Morris (5)
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    Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018

    I would include Lukas Webb as a likely trading candidate. Whilst he has shown promise there are a number of players ahead of him in development around his age bracket, particularly those from the same draft. He needs a big year to maintain his spot on the list.

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    Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018

    It's one of those years where we basically know who we will be delisting at season's end.

    Campbell, Smith, Morris, Cloke would be pretty close to certain.
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    Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018

    Here is my take:

    Trade or delist:
    1. Roarke Smith - Injury prone. His elite leap is not enough.
    2. Brad Lynch - has never impressed.
    3. Mitch Honeychurch - close but just falls short.

    Trade
    4. Fletcher Roberts - lacks balance, looks for easy way out of defence by kicking across the ground.
    5. Lucas Webb - Could quite possibly make it, but may still have some trade value.

    Possible outs.
    6. Suckling
    7. Crameri
    8. Mullenger-McHugh
    9. Greene
    10. Redpath

    We need to turn a few more players over to try to get some gems.

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    Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018

    So Cloke has already gone, a year early. The drafting of Naughton I think means we move two KPDs on:

    1. Morris retires
    2. Roberts traded

    Possibles/Need an impressive 2018:

    3. Clay Smith
    4. Mitch Honeychurch
    5. Tom Campbell
    6. Matt Suckling (if he wants a shot at punting in the NFL)

    7. Possible trade out request

    Leaving all rookies aside.
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    Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018

    I think you could add Kieran Collins to that list .He needs a big season

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    Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by Remi Moses View Post
    I think you could add Kieran Collins to that list .He needs a big season
    Only his 3rd season in 2018. One which was injury ravaged, and he was always going to take more time. I wouldn't be cutting him unless he has a horrible, horrible year. If he shows even moderate incremental progress he gets an extension for mine.
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    Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by Remi Moses View Post
    I think you could add Kieran Collins to that list .He needs a big season
    Drafted as a 17yo and just 2 years in that seems to be a harsh assessment but you might be right.
    In most instances we have to give the bigger boys a bit more time than just 3 seasons.
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    Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018

    If he goes backwards then sure he's a potential delisting.

    If he continues to improve it'd be silly to dispose of him so quickly.

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    Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    Drafted as a 17yo and just 2 years in that seems to be a harsh assessment but you might be right.
    In most instances we have to give the bigger boys a bit more time than just 3 seasons.
    He is still 19 years old and about to turn 20 in mid December, which means he will only be 20 for all of next year. I think we give him another year to prove himself after next, unless we feel he just won't make it.
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    Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by Remi Moses View Post
    I think you could add Kieran Collins to that list .He needs a big season
    Poor Kieran cannot take a trick. I really hope we retain him as he is still young. If we delist him I wouldn't put it past Collingwood to snap him up. Their assistant coach Brendan Sanderson was a huge wrap for Kieran in the under 18's. Coached him too in the Academy I think.

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    Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018

    4 games in how are people's lists shaping up? For mine:

    1. Moz - the option is his and his bodies
    2. Smith - 2016 aside, his body has ruined his career and has to be a candidate for delisting - is he best 22?
    3. Picken - enough said, a tragedy, but he has the rest of his life to think about
    4. Campbell - English's emergence, puts him at the back of a queue that includes Roughie, Boyd, Redders and Bontempeli. Too one dimensional to fit into Bevo's plans
    5. Webb - shame, but I think he is in trouble unless he can start to translate VFL form into AFL form.
    6. NMM/Greene/R Smith - at least one will get cut if not 2

    In danger:

    1. Roughie - is there room for him on the field? Will he be sacrificed because of the Boyd deal?;
    2. Adams - his nickname has to be sick note as he spends more time in the medical room than on the field;
    3. Trengove - how well does he balance the team?

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    Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018

    FK,

    What about Roberts, HC & Lynch? Could probably include Collins in the conversation too.

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    Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018

    Of those you have mentioned Fredi Picken (2019), Webb (2019), Adams (2020) and Trengove (2021?) are contracted. Yes they can still be traded or delisted but it makes it much less likely.

    Picken's future should be a decision for him, his family and medical experts to make.

    At least 1 of Roughie or Campbell needs to be retained, Rough should be ahead.

    As for the names Mantis mentions: Lynch has to upgraded or delisted, would have to do something amazing to be retained. Honeychurch and Collins have to be in the conversation. Roberts is contracted for 2019.

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    Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis View Post
    FK,

    What about Roberts, HC & Lynch? Could probably include Collins in the conversation too.
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