Fixing our ****ing awful goal kicking

[The Bulldogs Bite]

2 goals = 12 points
14 points = 14 points

More points from behinds than goals. FFS. Leaving aside 2 less scoring shots for a 37 point loss.

Doesn’t matter though.

In Bevo we trust.

[Remi Moses]

Yes, let’s sack Bevo I get it we’re frustrated, but let’s not get all Facebook or big footy

[bulldogtragic]

Doesn’t matter though.

In Bevo we trust.

To be overly simplistic:

- the coaching & training is sufficient, or
- a lot of players are passed redeeming and simply cannot do this basic/essential game winning skill, so we need to move many on

There's now too much data and history to write the occasional bad conversion off as an oddity. And it keeps happening.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Yes, let’s sack Bevo I get it we’re frustrated, but let’s not get all Facebook or big footy

Don’t recall anyone mentioning that?

I do recall Bevo talking about fixing our skill issues when he first came but right now we are still worse than any other side at butchering the ball.

[bulldogtragic]

Don’t recall anyone mentioning that?

I do recall Bevo talking about fixing our skill issues when he first came but right now we are still worse than any other side at butchering the ball.

True. Something like if you can't kick off both feet you won't play.

That got thrown out pretty quick.

[Remi Moses]

Don’t recall anyone mentioning that?

I do recall Bevo talking about fixing our skill issues when he first came but right now we are still worse than any other side at butchering the ball.

Stkilda , Brisbane , Carlton , are worse . Not saying it isn’t a serious issue, but it isn’t the worst in the comp .
Gotta get a hell of a lot better than we’re dishing up .

[Remi Moses]

True. Something like if you can't kick off both feet you won't play.

That got thrown out pretty quick.

Most afl players aren’t proficient on both sides in this era .

[bulldogtragic]

Most afl players aren’t proficient on both sides in this era .

I didn't say that if they can't kick off both feet they won't get played, Bevo did. Don't hold those comments against me.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

To be overly simplistic:

- the coaching & training is sufficient, or
- a lot of players are passed redeeming and simply cannot do this basic/essential game winning skill, so we need to move many on

There's now too much data and history to write the occasional bad conversion off as an oddity. And it keeps happening.

I agree to a point. And I am a massive Bevo supporter.
However the whole football department has to own this predicament we're in.
We've continued to invest in players that have significant skill flaws, but we insist upon persisting with a strategy contingent upon precise skill execution, coupled with aggressive posturing in defense.

So when we miss shots on goal that we should get more often than not or turnover the ball in situations where we should reasonably expect not to.. our aggressively postured defense gets caught out..

Do we can lament the player performance or we can ask we why we continue to draft and trade for players with clear deficiencies in the areas our strategy requires elite attributes in?

[bulldogtragic]

I agree to a point. And I am a massive Bevo supporter.
However the whole football department has to own this predicament we're in.
We've continued to invest in players that have significant skill flaws, but seem to insist upon persisting with a strategy contingent upon precise skill execurion coupled with aaggressive posturing in defense.

So when we miss shots on goal that we should get more often than not or turnover the ball in situations where we should reasonably expect not to.. our aggressively postured defense gets caught out..

Do we can lament the player performance or we can ask we why we continue to draft and trade for players with clear deficiencies in the areas our strategy requires elite attributes in?

This I think is one of the best conversations/threads we could have. It's the million dollar question, with I'm guessing interesting views all round.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Fogarty is a clear case in point.
We've missed a trick in not posturing our trade period around acquiring him in the wake of Stringer's known exit.
This is not a shot at Richards either. He's going to be very good.
But i contend we were so worried about the football world's perspective on trying to win the PR campaign over Stringer's departure that it negatively impacted our trade period and in turn hobbled our draft options.

I am not bullish on Shache's prospects ..yet from early in the trade period I had the feeling he was our plan B if we were unable to secure an outright top 10 pick for Stringer.

I think we felt that when that premium draft pick wasn't going to materialise for Jake,we blinked and decided to try and deal at the last minute to secure Shache and 'sell the hype' of 'Hey we lost Stringer, but we got the guy who went pick two a couple of years ago woo hoo!'

I think whilst less sexy, we should've prioritised parlaying Stringer's departure into ensuring we addressed list needs as the premium.

Taking Essendon's pick 11 and giving up our second round would've allowed us to take Naughton and Fogarty or Fogarty and Richards. Fogarty's selection seems a logical addressing of our skill issues.
As good as either Naughton or Richards will be I'd take a natural finisher like Fogarty. Because it's what we most lack and what our game plan screams out for.

[Sedat]

Fogarty is a clear case in point.
We've missed a trick in not posturing our trade period around acquiring him in the wake of Stringer's known exit.
This is not a shot at Richards either. He's going to be very good.
But i contend we were so worried about the football world's perspective on trying to win the PR campaign over Stringer's departure that it negatively impacted our trade period and in turn hobbled our draft options.

I am not bullish on Shache's prospects ..yet from early in the trade period I had the feeling he was our plan B if we were unable to secure an outright top 10 pick for Stringer.

I think we felt that when that premium draft pick wasn't going to materialise for Jake,we blinked and decided to try and deal at the last minute to secure Shache and 'sell the hype' of 'Hey we lost Stringer, but we got the guy who went pick two a couple of years ago woo hoo!'

I think whilst less sexy, we should've prioritised parlaying Stringer's departure into ensuring we addressed list needs as the premium.

Taking Essendon's pick 11 and giving up our second round would've allowed us to take Naughton and Fogarty or Fogarty and Richards. Fogarty's selection seems a logical addressing of our skill issues.
As good as either Naughton or Richards will be I'd take a natural finisher like Fogarty. Because it's what we most lack and what our game plan screams out for.

Pick 11 was never on the table for Stringer according to Dodo

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Pick 11 was never on the table for Stringer according to Dodo

It was for a swap of a 2nd round pick wasnt it. I thought that was announced early in the trade period, prior to the Injector's uding it on Devon Smith.
I will also own up to being dismissive of that outcome too.
But in hindsight as an outsider i reckon my discontent would've been mollified pretty quickly, if it had led tp us getting Fogarty, based on what has unfolded thus far.
I know 20/20 i hindsight

[The Adelaide Connection]

Just a quirk I noticed- almost everyone seemed to be drilling goals from everywhere in the warmup. Sure this was before the weather really set in again but there seemed to be only a handful of misses and most players didn’t miss more than one.
Most players.
There was one player that I did notice that seemed to be disproportionately inaccurate. Who? The bloke we played at FF most of the night (JJ).

[Ghost Dog]

Think I will skip footy this week erm....