Fixing our ****ing awful goal kicking

[Twodogs]

This year to date there has been 1317 goals and 1232 points kicked, so total scoring shots 2549. Therefore 1317 is 52% of the total

Are you 100% sure that is the formula they use? There are so many factors they aren't taking into account if that is the case.

The percentages don't take into account complete misses, including out on the full or players within range who fail to kick the ball over defenders heads.

Exactly, and a new one that's becoming increasingly popular in AFL football recently "the dribble that breaks the other way and turns away from the goal."

[bornadog]

Are you 100% sure that is the formula they use? There are so many factors they aren't taking into account if that is the case.

I am guessing.

Yes there are other factors, like PP said.

[Bulldog4life]

Mark Stevens
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I still think old mate @mattricho0 is right. Goalkicking slipped when posts went higher. Optical illusion, higher posts make gap look more narrow. Go to an old fashioned ground in the burbs with tiny posts and take a shot .. a breeze!

[Twodogs]

Mark Stevens
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I still think old mate @mattricho0 is right. Goalkicking slipped when posts went higher. Optical illusion, higher posts make gap look more narrow. Go to an old fashioned ground in the burbs with tiny posts and take a shot .. a breeze!

Hmm. Thats a really interesting point.

[jeemak]

I liked kicking at higher posts.

[The Adelaide Connection]

Over the past 2 seasons Bont is now the third worst shot for goal in the league, converting at 36.1% when you factor in shots that miss entirely. Jack Billings is the worst, and Ironically the next 3 worst are either current of former Bulldogs players (Bont, Stringer, Higgins).

This is quite alarming. If nothing else, surely this is just another nail that warrants spending a (relatively) small amount on a specialist goalkicking coach.

[bornadog]

If I were Gil for a day....@Adamcooney17 would only allow sports scientists to control recovery. Force them to stay indoors and let coaches train players for longer so they can kick and handball and kick goals instead of points

[Twodogs]

[FONT="]If I were Gil for a day....[/FONT]@Adamcooney17 would only allow sports scientists to control recovery. Force them to stay indoors and let coaches train players for longer so they can kick and handball and kick goals instead of points

Good old Coon Dog. He's only 5 years behind with his opinion.

Still you gotta love him.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Bob Murphy on SEN yesterday addressed this issue. I was distracted, driving at the time.
"Be the ball" etc. Bob said he saw a psych about it who asked him to describe a day at the beach. Bob described the feeling of the sand, the wind, the sun so the psych said he was kinesthetic, and as such needed to construct a dialogue with himself about what he physically does to kick the ball well....
Bob also cited the strategy of not using negatives, like you do with a child so instead of "don't touch the fire" (the child will touch the fire), just say "ouch" or "the fire hurts" (child will not touch fire). So rather than "don't miss this", "I can get this"...
Anyone else listen to it?

[Twodogs]

Bob Murphy on SEN yesterday addressed this issue. I was distracted, driving at the time.
"Be the ball" etc. Bob said he saw a psych about it who asked him to describe a day at the beach. Bob described the feeling of the sand, the wind, the sun so the psych said he was kinesthetic, and as such needed to construct a dialogue with himself about what he physically does to kick the ball well....
Bob also cited the strategy of not using negatives, like you do with a child so instead of "don't touch the fire" (the child will touch the fire), just say "ouch" or "the fire hurts" (child will not touch fire). So rather than "don't miss this", "I can get this"...
Anyone else listen to it?

I heard most of it. I liked his points about negatives. He's right that if you say to someone "don't miss" then they will more than likely just hear the bit about missing so if you just change the focus a but you ought to get better results.

That time Malcolm Blight barrelled the torp that sunk Carlton after the siren. Just as the siren has blown you can see Blight turn around and speak to Keith Greig. Years later I read in an interview that Blight said to Greig "I don't know what to do" and Grieg said "just go back and kick the *!*!*!*!ing thing". Nice message. Punchy, to the point and positive.

[Axe Man]

Don't panic everyone, Johnno has found the answer!

Calls to bring back place kick to cure AFL goalkicking woes

BULLDOGS great Brad Johnson reckons he’d have kicked an extra 250 goals had there been place kicks when he played.

It hasn’t been tried in a game since 1955, but Johnson thinks it’s time we gave the place kick another go.

Fox Footy panellist Johnson is leading calls for the return of the kick which he says would see set shot accuracy go through the roof and the return of the 100-goal player.

The call comes as just over half of all set shots are going through the middle, a stat that has steadily declined in recent years.

Johnson says he’d love to see today’s big forwards like the Giants Jon Patton and West Coast’s Josh Kennedy try the kick.

It could even be the answer to Joe Daniher’s goal kicking woes, Johnson says.

“It’s an excellent idea — kicking accuracy would go through the roof,” he says.

“The place kick would be super effective.

“The crowd would love it. It would create huge excitement — why not make it worth nine points.”

Johnson says goalkicking is the one area of the game that was not improving and with place kicks we could again see someone boot 100 goals in a season.

Johnson remembers a couple of times when he booted a goal off the ground from a long way out and says he would have got many more goals if he had taken place kicks.

“When you hit them well it feels magnificent,” he says.

The last man to use the place kick was Tony Ongarello in a game at Brunswick Oval in 1955.

Ongarello has told Fox Footy’s Open Mike the kick hadn’t been tried for years, he was kicking badly that day and felt he had nothing to lose.

One of his kicks was so long it went flying outside the ground.

[Twodogs]

Great idea but tge VFL outlawed place kicks after Mike Fitzpatrick tried to waste time with one back in the 1970s.

[GVGjr]

I can't believe the crap that I am reading from previous captains of the club:
Is Murphy saying we don't want to instill negative thoughts into players kicking for goals? Please tell me Bob what the opposition players who are standing on the mark are saying to our players? Surely we need to simulate match conditions to overcome the problem.

*!*!*!*!ing place kicks are being suggested by Brad Johnson to improve accuracy for the competition, surely someone is taking the piss. Perhaps we need to start using the old stab pass to help players who have difficulties marking the high ball?

If what I'm reading is even remotely serious, the conclusion I draw is many players are fragile souls who can't handle the consequences of owning their own destiny and mastering a simple skill and there is a consensus that the game is highly complex and the players can't cope with the demands.

So why are they getting so highly paid if it's all too much for them?

Hard work, focus and some application will fix the issue, oh I forgot no one likes the hard work any more.

[Axe Man]

I can't believe the crap that I am reading from previous captains of the club:
Is Murphy saying we don't want to instill negative thoughts into players kicking for goals? Please tell me Bob what the opposition players who are standing on the mark are saying to our players? Surely we need to simulate match conditions to overcome the problem.

*!*!*!*!ing place kicks are being suggested by Brad Johnson to improve accuracy for the competition, surely someone is taking the piss. Perhaps we need to start using the old stab pass to help players who have difficulties marking the high ball?

If what I'm reading is even remotely serious, the conclusion I draw is many players are fragile souls who can't handle the consequences of owning their own destiny and mastering a simple skill and there is a consensus that the game is highly complex and the players can't cope with the demands.

So why are they getting so highly paid if it's all too much for them?

Hard work, focus and some application will fix the issue, oh I forgot no one likes the hard work any more.

I am assuming the place kick thing was a joke but you don't believe a large part of goal kicking is between the ears?

[GVGjr]

I am assuming the place kick thing was a joke but you don't believe a large part of goal kicking is between the ears?

If you have the technique down pat and you are confident in your abilities because you train the right way then that is what should be between their ears.
Players on the mark are always telling other players how useless they are and offering advice where they should kick it to distract them