List Analysis - August 2018

[bulldogsthru&thru]

There has been a lot of discussion on WOOF regarding the state of our list. Some on here are optimistic, others not so much so i thought it'd be worthwhile to discuss where we see our list sits given performance to date.

Of course this is very subjective, but i have given my breakdown below. The categories are:

A graders = This player is elite
Rate = I rate this player either currently of with a view to the future
Don't rate = I either never rated this player or don't rate them going forward
Jury's still out = Can be one of two things. Either haven't seen enough of them to know one way or the other OR they are a player who has previously played at a high level but is no longer playing to that level for unknown reasons and the jury is still out as to whether they will recapture that form. A good comparison is Biggs and Dahlhaus. I put Biggs in the don't rate category as i don't see him getting back to 2016 form and he didn't have enough runs on the board to suggest he's capable of finding form. Dahl on the other hand has played at a higher level for longer so i see him as someone who could eventually recapture that form.
Finished = Has either retired or don't see them getting back on the park or to potential due to injury

A Graders
Marcus Bontempelli
Jack Macrae

Rate
Aaron Naughton
Bailey Williams
Billy Gowers
Caleb Daniel
Dale Morris
Easton Wood
Ed Richards
Hayden Crozier
Josh Dunkley
Josh Schache
Lachie Hunter
Liam Picken
Matthew Suckling
Mitch Wallis
Patrick Lipinski
Tim English
Toby McLean
Zaine Cordy
Jason Johannisen

Don't rate
Fletcher Roberts
Jordan Roughead
Kieran Collins
Lin Jong
Lukas Webb
Mitch Honeychurch
Nathan Mullenger-McHugh
Roarke Smith
Shane Biggs
Tom Campbell

Jury's still out
Bailey Dale
Brad Lynch
Callum Porter
Fergus Greene
Lewis Young
Luke Dahlhaus
Marcus Adams
Tom Boyd
Tom Liberatore
Jackson Trengove

Finished
Clay Smith
Jack Redpath
Tory Dickson

So out of 44 players, I:

Rate: 21
Don't Rate: 10
Jury's still out: 10
Finished: 3

So i am happy with 45% of our list. Questions marks remain over 23% of our list and i don't rate a quarter of our list. Interestingly of the players i don't rate, half of them are talls.

I'm bullish of our younger players but we clearly have a lot of players who are potential A graders but have question marks over their future. I think the list is in decent shape and can be turned around pretty quickly....provided the players can actually stay on the park. But it's not as bleak as some make out.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I decided to cut our list another way and look at list balance. I've categorised our list into key areas/roles.

I've then totalled each category to get an idea on the balance of our list.

I've also then subtracted from these totals, the number of players who are either finished, are not rated or have question marks over them (derived from the original list in OP)

The results aren't pretty. We look or for defence and that's about it.

The talk of getting Lloyd makes sense when you look at the mid-sized forwards we will lose and that doesn't take into account Picken. Where would we be if Gowers didn't become the player he has shown this season?

As we all know, we have zero small crumbing forwards outside of Greene

Inside mids take a massive hit when you consider the out of form players in Dahl and Libba. Makes the talk of turning Wally into a goal kicking forward more bizzare given the inside mids we have who aren't performing. I get Bevo wants to add strings to players' bow but we have much larger problems

Outside mids looks ok, but given they consist of Macrae and Hunter whose disposal is poor, we still need class.

Overall, if we didn't have stagnating players, we'd be in a much better position. But alas, we have plenty of work to do



Tall Forwards (2) Less 1 = 1
Josh Schache
Tom Boyd


Mid Forwards (4) Less 2 = 2
Billy Gowers
Liam Picken
Jack Redpath
Tory Dickson


Small Forwards (1) Less 1 = 0
Fergus Greene


Inside Mids (8) Less 6 = 2
Josh Dunkley
Mitch Wallis
Lin Jong
Mitch Honeychurch
Callum Porter
Luke Dahlhaus
Tom Liberatore
Clay Smith


Outside Mids (5) Less 1 = 4
Marcus Bontempelli
Jack Macrae
Caleb Daniel
Lachie Hunter
Lukas Webb


Wings (3) Less 1 = 2
Patrick Lipinski
Bailey Dale
Toby McLean


Halfbacks (8) Less 4 = 4
Bailey Williams
Ed Richards
Hayden Crozier
Matthew Suckling
Roarke Smith
Shane Biggs
Brad Lynch
Jason Johannisen


Tall Defenders (5) Less 3 = 2
Dale Morris
Zaine Cordy
Fletcher Roberts
Jackson Trengove
Kieran Collins


Intercept Defenders (4) Less 2 = 2
Aaron Naughton
Easton Wood
Lewis Young
Marcus Adams


Rucks (4) Less 3 = 1
Tim English
Jordan Roughead
Tom Campbell
Nathan Mullenger-McHugh

[Rocket Science]

Bang on about Gowers.

It's a welcome surprise he's come on and shows a competitive streak few others exhibit, but while no slight to the lad I wonder if we'll look back and muse "Hey, remember the year Gowers won our goalkicking? Heheh craaazy!"

Repeat. Gowers leads our goal kicking.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Bang on about Gowers.

It's a welcome surprise he's come on and shows a competitive streak few others exhibit, but while no slight to the lad I wonder if we'll look back and muse "Hey, remember the year Gowers won our goalkicking? Heheh craaazy!"

Repeat. Gowers leads our goal kicking.

That is crazy. A rookie is leading our goal kicking......

[Twodogs]

I decided to cut our list another way and look at list balance. I've categorised our list into key areas/roles.

I've then totalled each category to get an idea on the balance of our list.

I've also then subtracted from these totals, the number of players who are either finished, are not rated or have question marks over them (derived from the original list in OP)

The results aren't pretty. We look or for defence and that's about it.

The talk of getting Lloyd makes sense when you look at the mid-sized forwards we will lose and that doesn't take into account Picken. Where would we be if Gowers didn't become the player he has shown this season?

As we all know, we have zero small crumbing forwards outside of Greene

Inside mids take a massive hit when you consider the out of form players in Dahl and Libba. Makes the talk of turning Wally into a goal kicking forward more bizzare given the inside mids we have who aren't performing. I get Bevo wants to add strings to players' bow but we have much larger problems

Outside mids looks ok, but given they consist of Macrae and Hunter whose disposal is poor, we still need class.

Overall, if we didn't have stagnating players, we'd be in a much better position. But alas, we have plenty of work to do



Tall Forwards (2) Less 1 = 1
Josh Schache
Tom Boyd


Mid Forwards (4) Less 2 = 2
Billy Gowers
Liam Picken
Jack Redpath
Tory Dickson


Small Forwards (1) Less 1 = 0
Fergus Greene


Inside Mids (8) Less 6 = 2
Josh Dunkley
Mitch Wallis
Lin Jong
Mitch Honeychurch
Callum Porter
Luke Dahlhaus
Tom Liberatore
Clay Smith


Outside Mids (5) Less 1 = 4
Marcus Bontempelli
Jack Macrae
Caleb Daniel
Lachie Hunter
Lukas Webb


Wings (3) Less 1 = 2
Patrick Lipinski
Bailey Dale
Toby McLean


Halfbacks (8) Less 4 = 4
Bailey Williams
Ed Richards
Hayden Crozier
Matthew Suckling
Roarke Smith
Shane Biggs
Brad Lynch
Jason Johannisen


Tall Defenders (5) Less 3 = 2
Dale Morris
Zaine Cordy
Fletcher Roberts
Jackson Trengove
Kieran Collins


Intercept Defenders (4) Less 2 = 2
Aaron Naughton
Easton Wood
Lewis Young
Marcus Adams


Rucks (4) Less 3 = 1
Tim English
Jordan Roughead
Tom Campbell
Nathan Mullenger-McHugh

I like the division you've come up with there.

Gee our list is so unbalanced.

[LostDoggy]

That is crazy. A rookie is leading our goal kicking......

...An injured rookie leads our goal kicking...

[bulldogtragic]

I guess they do this analysis at the club, but the fact the list is like it is makes you wonder if they do.

[bornadog]

I would rate Libba an A grader

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I would rate Libba an A grader

If this was the start of 2017 i would as well. But the fact is, like Dahlhaus, Daniel, Biggs, JJ and more, he went backwards in 2017. Yes by all reports he had a great preseason and hasn't had the luxury of proving himself this year, but based on 2017 form i have a ? over him. I mean, there's been talk of not even re-signing him or re-signing on less than market rate. Not what you would do to an A grader

[Twodogs]

...An injured rookie leads our goal kicking...

...an injured rookie who can't kick straight leads our goalkicking.

[Go_Dogs]

Interesting analysis, thanks.

It definitely highlights we have a number of players entering "career years" which is hopefully a good thing for their application and motivation, and that we also have to re-balance our list over the next few off-seasons.

[westdog54]

...an injured rookie who can't kick straight leads our goalkicking.

An injured rookie who can't kick straight and has rotated through the midfield is leading our goalkicking.

Keep it going...

[bornadog]

An injured rookie who can't kick straight and has rotated through the midfield is leading our goalkicking.

and who has some passion and aggression not seen for awhile

[Twodogs]

An injured rookie who can't kick straight and has rotated through the midfield who has some passion and aggression not seen for awhile who started last year playing in the Ammos is leading our goalkicking.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

An injured rookie who can't kick straight and has rotated through the midfield who has some passion and aggression not seen for awhile who started last year playing in the Ammos is leading our goalkicking.

An injured rookie who can't kick straight and has rotated through the midfield who has some passion and aggression not seen for awhile who started last year playing in the Ammos and who couldn't get a game for a historically bad Carlton is leading our goalkicking