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    Re: How Cooney and Griffen were forced from the western bulldogs

    Cooney was pushed out, no doubt in my mind.

    Whether we should have kept him or not is a different story - he certainly didn't want to leave until he was pushed.
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    Re: How Cooney and Griffen were forced from the western bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by Mofra View Post
    Cooney was pushed out, no doubt in my mind.

    Whether we should have kept him or not is a different story - he certainly didn't want to leave until he was pushed.
    So was Higgins. It didn't matter what the free agency offer he received was, we weren't going to match it.
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    Re: How Cooney and Griffen were forced from the western bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by Greystache View Post
    So was Higgins. It didn't matter what the free agency offer he received was, we weren't going to match it.
    No, i believe Higgins wanted out. He detested B-Mac

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    Re: How Cooney and Griffen were forced from the western bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogsthru&thru View Post
    No, i believe Higgins wanted out. He detested B-Mac
    He may have wanted out but even if he'd wanted to stay we wanted him out. Higgins and McCartney were family friends back in the day.
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    Re: How Cooney and Griffen were forced from the western bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by Greystache View Post
    He may have wanted out but even if he'd wanted to stay we wanted him out. Higgins and McCartney were family friends back in the day.
    I think they lived in the same area and would know each other's families through local footy.
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    After speaking to Obie for about fourty-five minutes on the telephone we
    Finally arrived at the truth of the matter and said that we had to go down
    And pick up the garbage, and also had to go down and speak to him at the
    Police officer's station. So we got in the red vw microbus with the
    Shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed on toward the
    Police officer's station.

    Now friends, there was only one or two things that Obie coulda done at
    The police station, and the first was he could have given us a medal for
    Being so brave and honest on the telephone, which wasn't very likely, and
    We didn't expect it, and the other thing was he could have bawled us out
    And told us never to be seen driving garbage around the vicinity again,
    Which is what we expected, but when we got to the police officer's station
    There was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was
    Both immediately arrested. Handcuffed. And I said "Obie, I don't think I
    Can pick up the garbage with these handcuffs on. " He said, "Shut up, kid.
    Get in the back of the patrol car. "




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    Re: How Cooney and Griffen were forced from the western bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by Greystache View Post
    He may have wanted out but even if he'd wanted to stay we wanted him out. Higgins and McCartney were family friends back in the day.
    I think they lived in the same area and would know each other's families through local footy.
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    After speaking to Obie for about fourty-five minutes on the telephone we
    Finally arrived at the truth of the matter and said that we had to go down
    And pick up the garbage, and also had to go down and speak to him at the
    Police officer's station. So we got in the red vw microbus with the
    Shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed on toward the
    Police officer's station.

    Now friends, there was only one or two things that Obie coulda done at
    The police station, and the first was he could have given us a medal for
    Being so brave and honest on the telephone, which wasn't very likely, and
    We didn't expect it, and the other thing was he could have bawled us out
    And told us never to be seen driving garbage around the vicinity again,
    Which is what we expected, but when we got to the police officer's station
    There was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was
    Both immediately arrested. Handcuffed. And I said "Obie, I don't think I
    Can pick up the garbage with these handcuffs on. " He said, "Shut up, kid.
    Get in the back of the patrol car. "




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    Re: How Cooney and Griffen were forced from the western bulldogs

    Anyway I don't see why Adam would come out and lie about such a thing. What would be the point? It's not like he is going to be welcomed back by fans no matter what he says. They weren't the only people unhappy with Bmac at the time! Um some of you guys were pretty harsh on Bmac during his tenure. Just saying.
    What I heard from a friend who lived in Geelong is he was a very religious person. I was living in Norlane, just up from Geelong Grammar, at the time.
    Nothing against being religious myself, but can see how his way of dealing with people, quite direct / right and wrong / black and white/ , might have rubbed people the wrong way. In the end we became a harder side for him being there, contested anyway. I guess we owe him that, and Adam might have commented on some positives as well.
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    Re: How cooney and griffen were forced from the western bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    My understanding is:
    Griffen informed his the club of his decision to leave after he went to Gordon and after B-Mac resigned.
    He may have threatened it but followed through even after the decision went his way.
    The timing was: Griffen dropped the bombshell, that was the catalyst for BMac to be sacked. The messy part was that we’d publicly recommitted to BMac at the end of the season after a review, only to reverse the decision when Griffen’s defection exposed the degree of discontent with the coach who some saw as a bully.
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    Re: How Cooney and Griffen were forced from the western bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Dog View Post
    Anyway I don't see why Adam would come out and lie about such a thing. What would be the point? It's not like he is going to be welcomed back by fans no matter what he says. They weren't the only people unhappy with Bmac at the time! Um some of you guys were pretty harsh on Bmac during his tenure. Just saying.
    What I heard from a friend who lived in Geelong is he was a very religious person. I was living in Norlane, just up from Geelong Grammar, at the time.
    Nothing against being religious myself, but can see how his way of dealing with people, quite direct / right and wrong / black and white/ , might have rubbed people the wrong way. In the end we became a harder side for him being there, contested anyway. I guess we owe him that, and Adam might have commented on some positives as well.
    I knew there was something wrong with him.

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    Re: How cooney and griffen were forced from the western bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by The bulldog tragician View Post
    The timing was: Griffen dropped the bombshell, that was the catalyst for BMac to be sacked. The messy part was that we’d publicly recommitted to BMac at the end of the season after a review, only to reverse the decision when Griffen’s defection exposed the degree of discontent with the coach who some saw as a bully.
    Must have been the worst review ever.
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    Re: How cooney and griffen were forced from the western bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by The bulldog tragician View Post
    The timing was: Griffen dropped the bombshell, that was the catalyst for BMac to be sacked. The messy part was that we’d publicly recommitted to BMac at the end of the season after a review, only to reverse the decision when Griffen’s defection exposed the degree of discontent with the coach who some saw as a bully.
    That is how I recall it as well.

    Griffen' s announcement that he wanted out was the catalyst for B-Mac to depart.

    If Griffen had stayed we would have had another year with McCartney in charge and I strongly doubt we would have had the 2016 achievement.
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    Re: How cooney and griffen were forced from the western bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog Joe View Post
    That is how I recall it as well.

    Griffen' s announcement that he wanted out was the catalyst for B-Mac to depart.

    If Griffen had stayed we would have had another year with McCartney in charge and I strongly doubt we would have had the 2016 achievement.
    The timing in the end was perfect.

    If Griffen stayed we would not have had the upheaval we did, and wouldn't have had Beveridge. If we never had McCartney our players probably wouldn't have had the crazy intent at the contest they exhibited as an ingrained trait. Not wanting to give our previous coach too much credit, but his style had a hand in the outcome of 2016.

    I for one am glad we endured Shocktober 2014, I'm glad all of McCartney, Griffen, Higgins and Cooney departed enabling us to reset and give us the most magnificent football give anyone could ever receive.

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    Re: How cooney and griffen were forced from the western bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Must have been the worst review ever.
    Couldn't have been too clever if they did the exact opposite to the recommendation!
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    After speaking to Obie for about fourty-five minutes on the telephone we
    Finally arrived at the truth of the matter and said that we had to go down
    And pick up the garbage, and also had to go down and speak to him at the
    Police officer's station. So we got in the red vw microbus with the
    Shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed on toward the
    Police officer's station.

    Now friends, there was only one or two things that Obie coulda done at
    The police station, and the first was he could have given us a medal for
    Being so brave and honest on the telephone, which wasn't very likely, and
    We didn't expect it, and the other thing was he could have bawled us out
    And told us never to be seen driving garbage around the vicinity again,
    Which is what we expected, but when we got to the police officer's station
    There was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was
    Both immediately arrested. Handcuffed. And I said "Obie, I don't think I
    Can pick up the garbage with these handcuffs on. " He said, "Shut up, kid.
    Get in the back of the patrol car. "




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    Re: How Cooney and Griffen were forced from the western bulldogs

    2016 flag > these 2 guys.

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    Re: How Cooney and Griffen were forced from the western bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by The bulldog tragician View Post
    The timing was: Griffen dropped the bombshell, that was the catalyst for BMac to be sacked. The messy part was that we’d publicly recommitted to BMac at the end of the season after a review, only to reverse the decision when Griffen’s defection exposed the degree of discontent with the coach who some saw as a bully.
    It was even more sinister than that.

    Griffen, Bmac and Gordon met before the trade period. Meeting ended with Griffen to give an indication after he returns from holidays as to whether he wants to continue as Captain.

    Half way through trade the trade period, Griffen informs his manager that he us demanding a trade to GWS. Ryan himself is uncontactable. Bmac meets with the club the next day and after the meeting his resignation is tendered.

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