The Chad Thread

[ratsmac]

So what do we think about GC’s Jack Scrimshaw?
Looking to get back to Melbourne. Taken at pick 7 in 2016, he is a 193cm highly rated, rebounding defender. Apparently his agility, decision making and skills are exceptional and he will most likely be able to move into the midfield.

The kicker? Hawks are into him in a big way but apparently having a hard time finding any currency (made harder with the Wingard announcement). Let’s swoop in at the last second and get him. Seems a great prospect and it will piss them off AND it is likely the reason they are happy to part with Burton.

I'm down. Send Adams to GC as a straight up swap

[GVGjr]

So what do we think about GC’s Jack Scrimshaw?
Looking to get back to Melbourne. Taken at pick 7 in 2016, he is a 193cm highly rated, rebounding defender. Apparently his agility, decision making and skills are exceptional and he will most likely be able to move into the midfield.

The kicker? Hawks are into him in a big way but apparently having a hard time finding any currency (made harder with the Wingard announcement). Let’s swoop in at the last second and get him. Seems a great prospect and it will piss them off AND it is likely the reason they are happy to part with Burton.

He's got talent but I don't think he's the sort of player we need. A 193cm half back flanker but I don't think he can be a key position player. I think we can certainly find better suited players at pick 7 and I'd also think we can at the Dahlhaus pick

[Dancin' Douggy]

Maybe we can swoop in on a disgruntled Burton somehow.
Get our grubby little fingers in that deal.

[1eyedog]

Bevo needs to give Burton a big cuddle.

[Sedat]

I’m not a huge Burton fan to be honest. He’s very panicky down back and is not a great distributor of the ball by foot.

Clarko is no dill - he knows Burton has deficiencies in his game that aren’t easily overcome. If you’re going to be a key position size defender, you either need to be be elite in 1-on-1 contests or you need to be an elite intercept defender with great distribution skills, and Burton is neither. He’s also 21yo, not an 18-19yo kid like Naughton who has already shown plenty more.

Sicily on the other hand....

[Twodogs]

and he has a contract

And he has Sam Mitchell's jumper.

I'm with Sedat though. Hawthorn don't give away good players,

[Happy Days]

I’m not a huge Burton fan to be honest. He’s very panicky down back and is not a great distributor of the ball by foot.

Clarko is no dill - he knows Burton has deficiencies in his game that aren’t easily overcome. If you’re going to be a key position size defender, you either need to be be elite in 1-on-1 contests or you need to be an elite intercept defender with great distribution skills, and Burton is neither. He’s also 21yo, not an 18-19yo kid like Naughton who has already shown plenty more.

Totally agree. This is a really shrewd move by Clarkson to utilise a so-so player at their highest currency for maximum return. Burton was impressive in 2017 but went rapidly backwards this season, is limited by athleticism and skill and relies on his ability to read the play far too much.

[Mofra]

Interesting rumours regarding the Chad deal (take all with a grain of salt):

- We walked away from the deal due to the price. Pick 7 wasn't enough
- Some are suggesting pick 15 + Burton has been rejected by Port
- Burton has some flaws in his game Clarkson is wary of, disgruntled at being offered for trade as he's under contract
- Hawks deal was the same as ours minus the performance/bonus clauses. Our offer included performance metrics.

[bornadog]

Interesting rumours regarding the Chad deal (take all with a grain of salt):

- We walked away from the deal due to the price. Pick 7 wasn't enough
- Some are suggesting pick 15 + Burton has been rejected by Port
- Burton has some flaws in his game Clarkson is wary of, disgruntled at being offered for trade as he's under contract
- Hawks deal was the same as ours minus the performance/bonus clauses. Our offer included performance metrics.

Thank you for the update. Wingard is not worth more than pick 7

[Murphy'sLore]

If this is the case, I'm glad we held firm.

[Templeton31]

And he has Sam Mitchell's jumper.

I'm with Sedat though. Hawthorn don't give away good players,

Josh Kennedy (Swans)

[lemmon]

Totally agree. This is a really shrewd move by Clarkson to utilise a so-so player at their highest currency for maximum return. Burton was impressive in 2017 but went rapidly backwards this season, is limited by athleticism and skill and relies on his ability to read the play far too much.

Wonder whether the plan is to flick him forward? He was a full forward prior to being drafted.

[Sedat]

Josh Kennedy (Swans)

They got Stratton and Suckling out of that deal (losing McGlynn as well).

[The Adelaide Connection]

Generally speaking I think Kane Cornes is a total tool, but I caught a segment of him talking about the Burton + 15 proposed deal and I think he hits the nail on the head.

Whilst it might be a “fair” deal on paper, it is a terrible deal for Port and one that doesn’t fit their needs.

They really don’t need defenders, their defence was their strength last year. Jonas, Clurey, Byrne-Jones, Houston all finished high up in their B+F and you can add Dougal Howard, Hartlett and Broadbent (the latter two coming back from injuries). You could swing Burton forward maybe, but they already have Dixon, Marshall, Ryder/Lycett, and Watts. You also have Westhoff switching between forward and back.

They need midfielders and I am not surprised that reports are surfacing that they are not satisfied with that trade and are squeezing the Hawks for more. Maybe it’s not Wingard & Scully for the Hawks, maybe it’s Wingard or Scully. I am not sure how the hell they physically could be trading to get both.

For Port I think it is a case of “A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush”. I don’t think a future first rounder would be enough to douse the raging fires of their fans at a Wingard exit, they needed something now. They really need our 7.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Hawks deal doesn’t get done and they come back to us.

[Doc26]

Generally speaking I think Kane Cornes is a total tool, but I caught a segment of him talking about the Burton + 15 proposed deal and I think he hits the nail on the head.

Whilst it might be a “fair” deal on paper, it is a terrible deal for Port and one that doesn’t fit their needs.

They really don’t need defenders, their defence was their strength last year. Jonas, Clurey, Byrne-Jones, Houston all finished high up in their B+F and you can add Dougal Howard, Hartlett and Broadbent (the latter two coming back from injuries). You could swing Burton forward maybe, but they already have Dixon, Marshall, Ryder/Lycett, and Watts. You also have Westhoff switching between forward and back.

They need midfielders and I am not surprised that reports are surfacing that they are not satisfied with that trade and are squeezing the Hawks for more. Maybe it’s not Wingard & Scully for the Hawks, maybe it’s Wingard or Scully. I am not sure how the hell they physically could be trading to get both.

For Port I think it is a case of “A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush”. I don’t think a future first rounder would be enough to douse the raging fires of their fans at a Wingard exit, they needed something now. They really need our 7.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Hawks deal doesn’t get done and they come back to us.

Makes sense.

What can we propose to leverage on Hawthorn’s desperation to make it happen. They do have history in paying overs to get their man e.g O’Meara.

Burton and Duryea to us and a swap of their pick 15 for our 7, to on-trade to Port.