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    Re: Season Preview: Eight Reasons Why The Bulldogs Can Get Excited in 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by mjp View Post
    Well...we've been practicing this rule.

    With no goal-square as soon as the goal crosses the line you can basically pick up the spare footy and go...the man on the mark (who has to be 5m back) is just not in play.

    This is a BIG change to the game - I know it seems trivial when you read about it, in practice it makes a big difference to the speed a ball leaves the zone. The 'down the line' player will be needed for kicks and free kicks from the pockets (or the goal-square of course) but this is usually a simple numbers battle around the bail-out kick and all the team with the ball is 'really' expecting is a boundary throw in 60m from goal (aka get it the hell out of here, reset and live to fight another day).
    What's a 'down the line' player? A tall forward we can use as bail out option?
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    After speaking to Obie for about fourty-five minutes on the telephone we
    Finally arrived at the truth of the matter and said that we had to go down
    And pick up the garbage, and also had to go down and speak to him at the
    Police officer's station. So we got in the red vw microbus with the
    Shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed on toward the
    Police officer's station.
    Now friends, there was only one or two things that Obie coulda done at
    The police station, and the first was he could have given us a medal for
    Being so brave and honest on the telephone, which wasn't very likely, and
    We didn't expect it, and the other thing was he could have bawled us out
    And told us never to be seen driving garbage around the vicinity again,
    Which is what we expected, but when we got to the police officer's station
    There was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was
    Both immediately arrested. Handcuffed.
    And I said "Obie, I don't think I can pick up the garbage with these handcuffs on. "
    "He said, "Shut up, kid. Get in the back of the patrol car. "


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    Re: Season Preview: Eight Reasons Why The Bulldogs Can Get Excited in 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Twodogs View Post
    What's a 'down the line' player? A tall forward we can use as bail out option?
    It's your Brian Lake, Shane Mumford, Jack Watts kinda guy.

    There's only three of them in the entire league.
    "It's over. It's all over."

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    Re: Season Preview: Eight Reasons Why The Bulldogs Can Get Excited in 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by EasternWest View Post
    It's your Brian Lake, Shane Mumford, Jack Watts kinda guy.

    There's only three of them in the entire league.
    Don't forget Jake Carlisle.

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    Re: Season Preview: Eight Reasons Why The Bulldogs Can Get Excited in 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Axe Man View Post
    Don't forget Jake Carlisle.
    How could I forget Jakey?

    Four then.
    "It's over. It's all over."

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    Re: Season Preview: Eight Reasons Why The Bulldogs Can Get Excited in 2019

    And Max Gawn. Best player in the comp is Maxie!
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    After speaking to Obie for about fourty-five minutes on the telephone we
    Finally arrived at the truth of the matter and said that we had to go down
    And pick up the garbage, and also had to go down and speak to him at the
    Police officer's station. So we got in the red vw microbus with the
    Shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed on toward the
    Police officer's station.
    Now friends, there was only one or two things that Obie coulda done at
    The police station, and the first was he could have given us a medal for
    Being so brave and honest on the telephone, which wasn't very likely, and
    We didn't expect it, and the other thing was he could have bawled us out
    And told us never to be seen driving garbage around the vicinity again,
    Which is what we expected, but when we got to the police officer's station
    There was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was
    Both immediately arrested. Handcuffed.
    And I said "Obie, I don't think I can pick up the garbage with these handcuffs on. "
    "He said, "Shut up, kid. Get in the back of the patrol car. "


    Arlo Guthrie

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    Re: Season Preview: Eight Reasons Why The Bulldogs Can Get Excited in 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Twodogs View Post
    And Max Gawn. Best player in the comp is Maxie!
    Say it ain't so!
    "It's over. It's all over."

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    Re: Season Preview: Eight Reasons Why The Bulldogs Can Get Excited in 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by EasternWest View Post
    Say it ain't so!
    It's not five? All Maxed out huh?
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    After speaking to Obie for about fourty-five minutes on the telephone we
    Finally arrived at the truth of the matter and said that we had to go down
    And pick up the garbage, and also had to go down and speak to him at the
    Police officer's station. So we got in the red vw microbus with the
    Shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed on toward the
    Police officer's station.
    Now friends, there was only one or two things that Obie coulda done at
    The police station, and the first was he could have given us a medal for
    Being so brave and honest on the telephone, which wasn't very likely, and
    We didn't expect it, and the other thing was he could have bawled us out
    And told us never to be seen driving garbage around the vicinity again,
    Which is what we expected, but when we got to the police officer's station
    There was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was
    Both immediately arrested. Handcuffed.
    And I said "Obie, I don't think I can pick up the garbage with these handcuffs on. "
    "He said, "Shut up, kid. Get in the back of the patrol car. "


    Arlo Guthrie

    WOOF NUMBER 6

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    Re: Season Preview: Eight Reasons Why The Bulldogs Can Get Excited in 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Twodogs View Post
    It's not five? All Maxed out huh?
    Either you know something the rest of us don't or you've missed the joke?

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    Re: Season Preview: Eight Reasons Why The Bulldogs Can Get Excited in 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Twodogs View Post
    What's a 'down the line' player? A tall forward we can use as bail out option?
    It's usually a ruckman or tall forward who has pushed down to provide a contest for that 'long, down the line' kick out of defence that players do when they:

    a/. Don't have the skill/game-sense/balls to hit a short target in space.
    b/. Have been pinned in the defensive zone for a while and just kick it as far and wide as they can to make it someone elses problem.
    c/. Have been delayed by the umpires and literally all attacking options have been taken away.
    What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjp View Post
    It's usually a ruckman or tall forward who has pushed down to provide a contest for that 'long, down the line' kick out of defence that players do when they:

    a/. Don't have the skill/game-sense/balls to hit a short target in space.
    b/. Have been pinned in the defensive zone for a while and just kick it as far and wide as they can to make it someone elses problem.
    c/. Have been delayed by the umpires and literally all attacking options have been taken away.
    Thanks Mike.
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    After speaking to Obie for about fourty-five minutes on the telephone we
    Finally arrived at the truth of the matter and said that we had to go down
    And pick up the garbage, and also had to go down and speak to him at the
    Police officer's station. So we got in the red vw microbus with the
    Shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed on toward the
    Police officer's station.
    Now friends, there was only one or two things that Obie coulda done at
    The police station, and the first was he could have given us a medal for
    Being so brave and honest on the telephone, which wasn't very likely, and
    We didn't expect it, and the other thing was he could have bawled us out
    And told us never to be seen driving garbage around the vicinity again,
    Which is what we expected, but when we got to the police officer's station
    There was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was
    Both immediately arrested. Handcuffed.
    And I said "Obie, I don't think I can pick up the garbage with these handcuffs on. "
    "He said, "Shut up, kid. Get in the back of the patrol car. "


    Arlo Guthrie

    WOOF NUMBER 6

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    Re: Season Preview: Eight Reasons Why The Bulldogs Can Get Excited in 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Twodogs View Post
    Thanks Mike.
    Should have added d/.:

    Are a Matthew Suckling type who wants to show off how far he can kick the ball even though it doesn't really help the team all that much.

    (Though to be fair, I thought he was a good player for us in 2018).
    What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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    Re: Season Preview: Eight Reasons Why The Bulldogs Can Get Excited in 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by mjp View Post
    Should have added d/.:

    Are a Matthew Suckling type who wants to show off how far he can kick the ball even though it doesn't really help the team all that much.

    (Though to be fair, I thought he was a good player for us in 2018).
    Suckling looks like he doesn't care how he kicks the ball sometimes but I've figured out that's just his kicking technique. He goes with the soccer goalie type with the wide sweep of his arm and then dropping the ball from outside the area that most players drop it from. I almost lost my shit the first time I saw him do it but my teenager explained it to me!
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    After speaking to Obie for about fourty-five minutes on the telephone we
    Finally arrived at the truth of the matter and said that we had to go down
    And pick up the garbage, and also had to go down and speak to him at the
    Police officer's station. So we got in the red vw microbus with the
    Shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed on toward the
    Police officer's station.
    Now friends, there was only one or two things that Obie coulda done at
    The police station, and the first was he could have given us a medal for
    Being so brave and honest on the telephone, which wasn't very likely, and
    We didn't expect it, and the other thing was he could have bawled us out
    And told us never to be seen driving garbage around the vicinity again,
    Which is what we expected, but when we got to the police officer's station
    There was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was
    Both immediately arrested. Handcuffed.
    And I said "Obie, I don't think I can pick up the garbage with these handcuffs on. "
    "He said, "Shut up, kid. Get in the back of the patrol car. "


    Arlo Guthrie

    WOOF NUMBER 6

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    Re: Season Preview: Eight Reasons Why The Bulldogs Can Get Excited in 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by mjp View Post
    Should have added d/.:

    Are a Matthew Suckling type who wants to show off how far he can kick the ball even though it doesn't really help the team all that much.

    (Though to be fair, I thought he was a good player for us in 2018).
    Id be interested to see whether you felt the same criticisms of Eagleton were fair?

    Id agree - some of Suckers 2018 footy was among the best of his career

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    Re: Season Preview: Eight Reasons Why The Bulldogs Can Get Excited in 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by The Adelaide Connection View Post
    One of the problems Tom has is that he is not a dominant forward yet and, as such, doesn't get the dominant forward umpiring treatment.

    I am sure we have all seen the farcically blatant wy he gets manhandled, blocked, held back/down, pushed under the ball, chopped, etc. in almost every contest he makes and mostly it goes unnoticed.

    It is a hindrance that (probably) most developing forwards go through on their way to becoming a Riewoldt or a Franklin (where the umpire now seems to expect that you are going to be impeded and will jump at shadows in your favour) and he will have to work through it. But how do you work through it and develop if you aren't getting minutes and only get the odd contest?
    He's not a good forward because he has no idea about body positioning and how to use his body to get space. He just jumps for the ball with stiff hands, it's no wonder he hasn't set the world on fire.
    I can't understand how he could be so highly rated as a junior without those basic skills. I'm guessing he was just so much bigger than everyone else that he didn't have to use them.

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    Re: Season Preview: Eight Reasons Why The Bulldogs Can Get Excited in 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberdoggie View Post
    He's not a good forward because he has no idea about body positioning and how to use his body to get space. He just jumps for the ball with stiff hands, it's no wonder he hasn't set the world on fire.
    I can't understand how he could be so highly rated as a junior without those basic skills. I'm guessing he was just so much bigger than everyone else that he didn't have to use them.
    But it is a chicken or the egg argument in my opinion. Is it a case of “not a good forward” or are his positioning and timing etc. out because he is so heavily impeded?

    I tend to think it is the latter (and lack of opportunity to grow and work through it via forward minutes). I think he needs consistent time in the forward line to try to work through it and maybe we need to jump around to the umpires boss with some edits ala Clarkson.

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