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    Re: 2019 Mid Season Draft

    I thought it was an unnecessary draft in the first place and really don't know what the AFL is trying to achieve. The rookie draft already covers for injuries, but that has lost it's way as well.
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    Re: 2019 Mid Season Draft

    Just wanting more limelight for the brand
    I agree we don’t need it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remi Moses View Post
    Just wanting more limelight for the brand
    I agree we don’t need it
    In most instances it just doesn't give the player enough time to come in and perform. Teams spend months training together and it's a big ask to expect a player who's been training at another team in a lower competition to pick up things straight away
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    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    In most instances it just doesn't give the player enough time to come in and perform. Teams spend months training together and it's a big ask to expect a player who's been training at another team in a lower competition to pick up things straight away
    That's the exact flaw in the AFEL argument. But... If they're going to keep it, then we should just do what Gold Coast (Mitch Riotdan), Sydney (Cody Hirst) & Melbourne (Kyle Dunkley) did. Grab a 19yo playing in the U/18 league that slipped past the previous rookie draft and hope they make it or at least show enough on the training track to be retained. Which is not the point of the draft, but it's the best use of the pick long term if the recruiting team like someone.

    As far as our club goes, if we are going to blow a sizeable amount of money by using a pick or two, then I'd want a longer term return. With respect to Gardner, that's not going to be a good return on investment. And the 19yo, is close to what we did with Tweedie and that lasted for one year too. At what point do the bean counters tell Sam Power that it's not worth it? Just because the AFEL puts it on doesn't mean we have to participate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogtragic View Post
    That's the exact flaw in the AFEL argument. But... If they're going to keep it, then we should just do what Gold Coast (Mitch Riotdan), Sydney (Cody Hirst) & Melbourne (Kyle Dunkley) did. Grab a 19yo playing in the U/18 league that slipped past the previous rookie draft and hope they make it or at least show enough on the training track to be retained. Which is not the point of the draft, but it's the best use of the pick long term if the recruiting team like someone.
    We actually did that at the rookie draft last year, Lachie Young.

    I think the mid-season draft does impact on one list spot though. Some teams will go in with less 'ruck depth' knowing they can pick another up at mid-season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofra View Post
    We actually did that at the rookie draft last year, Lachie Young.

    I think the mid-season draft does impact on one list spot though. Some teams will go in with less 'ruck depth' knowing they can pick another up at mid-season.
    Vandeermeer was a 19yo too, although recruited on the main list. Panning for gold mid year with 19yo's is fine, but it doesn't seem to address the stated aims.

    Agree totally on rucks, although it would suck if your main ruck was out for a whole but not long enough to trigger a MSD pick or any other players, and then you had to try to cut and paste through it. I guess a risk some clubs are happy to take.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogtragic View Post
    I wonder if his story today opens up more clubs to look at mature state league gun players like him who have made the odd mistake. He seems to have hit the ground running at Richmond and was focussed on his future and not his history.

    It certainly seems like the mid season draft will be players that can impact this season, or getting good kids early which wasn't the intended purpose of it. We did neither of those things this year. Hopefully a respected journo does a detailed analysis on all the PSD picks and players post the GF and give us all some insight to what work well for teams in different areas of the ladder.
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    Re: 2019 Mid Season Draft

    Why a Swan's axing is about to become a major talking point



    CODY Hirst isn't necessarily a household name.
    However, he is about to become one of the League's most interesting case studies.
    Recruited to Sydney with the final pick in May's NAB AFL Mid-Season Rookie Draft, Hirst was delisted without a senior appearance to his name by the Swans after hours on Friday evening.

    His axing barely raised a ripple on news bulletins around the country, but in the coming weeks it is bound to become a major talking point both at AFL headquarters and among clubs.
    The 19-year-old's start to the season with NAB League outfit the Eastern Ranges – where he averaged close to 24 disposals per game throughout its first five matches – had put the diminutive midfielder firmly at the forefront of the minds of AFL recruiters.
    Many of those same recruiters believe Hirst subsequently would have been a top-50 draft prospect by season's end, had he seen out his overage year at the Ranges.

    Indeed, should he have taken this route – or, had he come through the system in any other year – it's a near-certainty Hirst would have been selected to an AFL club this November and subsequently earned the standard two-year contract for a new draftee.
    Instead, he nominated for the mid-season draft and received the newly introduced six-month contract until the end of the year.
    His decision to nominate was justified, given he was one of just 13 players selected by an AFL club on the night and therefore given his chance to make his name on a list.

    However, from there, Hirst's journey has taken a different path to the one that both he – and perhaps even the AFL when it introduced the mid-season draft – thought it would.
    The lively mid-forward played 12 NEAFL games for the Swans, kicking nine goals in a serviceable role inside 50. However, he didn't do enough to eventually crack the senior team.
    His six-month contract as a mid-season rookie meant that throughout that period, there was a constant unease as to whether his deal would ultimately be extended beyond 2019.

    Hirst's subsequent delisting late last week now leaves him firmly in limbo, with the player currently unaware whether he will be given a second opportunity at another club next season.
    Hirst wasn't the only mid-season draftee left unnerved by the six-month contract. While nine of the 13 players recruited back in May have earned new deals, Josh Deluca was last week delisted by Carlton.
    Collingwood's John Noble and Ryan Gardner of the Western Bulldogs are also currently without deals for next year, though both are tipped to re-sign imminently.

    However, the situation involving Hirst – and to a certain extent Deluca – has left both clubs and multiple management groups considering how they handle the mid-season draft going forward.
    Some have already begun considering a push to the AFL for immediate 18-month contracts, while others are even talking about possibly withdrawing all hopefuls from the mid-season draft altogether.
    As for Hirst, his future remains uncertain.

    The youngster was another victim of Sydney's controversial Telstra AFL Trade Period, where its inability to lure Joe Daniher meant that forward Tom Papley stayed put.
    Papley's failure to get to Carlton, combined with Lewis Taylor's arrival, meant there was simply no room for Hirst in the Sydney forward line.
    Now, he will have to wait throughout the delisted free agency period, and then perhaps the national and rookie draft period, and then perhaps the pre-season supplemental selection period, before finding out if his AFL career will continue elsewhere in 2020.

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    Re: 2019 Mid Season Draft

    I wonder if managers for the young guys will take note of nominating for the mid season draft as it can be a career defining roll of the dice. This guy if his good enough may get another gig but taking a chance on a 6 month contract might be higher risk than going though the normal draft process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotdog60 View Post
    I wonder if managers for the young guys will take note of nominating for the mid season draft as it can be a career defining roll of the dice. This guy if his good enough may get another gig but taking a chance on a 6 month contract might be higher risk than going though the normal draft process.
    I think the player managers will stop nominating the 19yo entering the mid season draft as they would be better off finishing the season and getting at least a 12 month contract if they get selected at the National Draft.

    Many of us here called out the mid season draft as not being required and it's certainly does not appear to be a benefit for the clubs or the players
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    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    I think the player managers will stop nominating the 19yo entering the mid season draft as they would be better off finishing the season and getting at least a 12 month contract if they get selected at the National Draft.

    Many of us here called out the mid season draft as not being required and it's certainly does not appear to be a benefit for the clubs or the players

    It was more of a media event than anything wasn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twodogs View Post
    It was more of a media event than anything wasn't it?
    I think it's a perceived ratings winner but from a footy perspective it was a flop
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    Re: 2019 Mid Season Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    I think it's a perceived ratings winner but from a footy perspective it was a flop
    By what football measure would it have been a success? The players far exceeded my expectations in terms of games played at least. I didn't expect many of them to play at all coming in half way through a season.

    Pickett and Noble in particular are positives out of the draft to all but the most cynical observers.

    I'm not really fussed one way or the other on the mid season draft but the negativity here is very lopsided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe Man View Post
    By what football measure would it have been a success? The players far exceeded my expectations in terms of games played at least. I didn't expect many of them to play at all coming in half way through a season.

    Pickett and Noble in particular are positives out of the draft to all but the most cynical observers.

    I'm not really fussed one way or the other on the mid season draft but the negativity here is very lopsided.
    I'd measure success on players being retained on lists and their performances. By any measure I think it's been a poor result
    It's just a draft to cover for poor recruiting
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