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    Re: Proactive Poaching

    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogtragic View Post
    But Keath is uncontracted and wants out of there. Plus he has a pin in his shin Adelaide didn’t want there.

    Keath is leaving. The question is whether it’s for pick 44 or nothing. He can go to the PSD is able to put our price on his head. He can refuse other medicals. Most clubs don’t take part in it anyway, but we could leave a spot open.

    I’d prefer Dodoro Jr to acknowledge reality and for us to get Keath in soon. But we will learn soon enough.
    I guess he could refuse to tour other clubs but it's in our interest to get this deal done

    I can't see how they can hold him
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    Re: Proactive Poaching

    Quote Originally Posted by mjp View Post
    It is a great outcome if we can drop to 18 and still get the player we are obviously targeting...
    Even if that four club trade doesn’t proceed. After Port get 18 there’s a straight forward draft pick/points trade:

    Exchanging 18 & 29 - for - 13 & 36 DVI (51 & 53) - Port ahead on 1st round and overall draft points (76), score 3 x 1sts at the draft. Pick 29 to Bruce, for us, so the cost is the first round downgrade and two third rounders.

    Seems a genuine win-win draft picks/points trade if we aren’t locked in on a player at 13 not likely to be there 18.
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    Re: Proactive Poaching

    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogtragic View Post

    Seems a genuine win-win draft picks/points trade if we aren’t locked in on a player at 13 not likely to be there 18.
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    Exactly.

    I still don't really know why we want Keath and where Le Young, Cordy and Trengove are all going to play but I guess 'Footscray' is the answer for at least one (maybe two) of them.
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    Re: Proactive Poaching

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    :-)

    Exactly.

    I still don't really know why we want Keath and where Le Young, Cordy and Trengove are all going to play but I guess 'Footscray' is the answer for at least one (maybe two) of them.
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    Re: Proactive Poaching

    My head hurts BT...just tell me when to open the wine!!

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    Re: Proactive Poaching

    Quote Originally Posted by mjp View Post
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    :-)

    Exactly.

    I still don't really know why we want Keath and where Le Young, Cordy and Trengove are all going to play but I guess 'Footscray' is the answer for at least one (maybe two) of them.
    I guess the question is if he is an upgrade on the players you have listed and if so and we get him with some 3rd round currency then it's a good move. If not then we might have been able to look at other options.
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    Re: Proactive Poaching

    Quote Originally Posted by dadsgirl16 View Post
    My head hurts BT...just tell me when to open the wine!!
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    Re: Proactive Poaching

    Quote Originally Posted by mjp View Post
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    :-)

    Exactly.

    I still don't really know why we want Keath and where Le Young, Cordy and Trengove are all going to play but I guess 'Footscray' is the answer for at least one (maybe two) of them.
    I’m a little slow, I just realised I echoed the good point you made...

    I wonder, does Green, Henry, McGuiness & Mead likely pushing teen pick down the order impact our value on the pick. Green could force us down to 14. I’ve seen Henry & Mead as possible before. Then we have pick 16. I’ve seen Mead as possibly going before. So theoretically we could have pick 17 just holding pick 13. Trade trade moves it 18 down to 22 after matched bids. How does that impact value of the pick?

    Or if Sam Landsberger story on King is accurate, do we trade pick 18 and then have two first rounders next year to go for King (running a big deficit on points next year). If our first rounder is compromised this year is it worth flipping for options next year?


    On your point on KPDs, I think you’re right two are set for Footscray. Wood the mid sized and Crozier plays taller. Two flankers.
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    Re: Proactive Poaching

    Quote Originally Posted by mjp View Post

    I still don't really know why we want Keath and where Le Young, Cordy and Trengove are all going to play but I guess 'Footscray' is the answer for at least one (maybe two) of them.
    Because Keath is considerably better than all of them?

    All the guys you listed were given considerable opportunity to nail down the key defensive posts and none of them took it.
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    Re: Proactive Poaching

    I don’t endorse this, but this is afel.com.au solution

    Dogs: 13, 32 & 53 to Cows
    Dogs: 23, 28 & Keath from Cows
    Dogs: 28 to Saints for Bruce

    Before Picks: 13, 32, 44, 51, 53 & 89
    After Picks: 23, 44, 51 & 89 —- Bruce & Keath
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    Re: Proactive Poaching

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Days View Post
    Because Keath is considerably better than all of them?

    All the guys you listed were given considerable opportunity to nail down the key defensive posts and none of them took it.
    Trengove wasn’t recruited for FB but once it was clear defence was his only way into senior footy for us he was pretty good. How was the job he did on Lynch? His one on one stats are very impressive. Just don’t watch him taking a short option.

    Only loses his spot for the last 2 games because he had to punch hit in the ruck against GWS. He was seriously stiff.

    Based on this though, you get the feeling he’s the general back up (Ruck / FB) and if no injuries / form issues for the other bigs he’ll play at Footscray.
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    Re: Proactive Poaching

    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogtragic View Post
    I don’t endorse this, but this is afel.com.au solution

    Dogs: 13, 32 & 53 to Cows
    Dogs: 23, 28 & Keath from Cows
    Dogs: 28 to Saints for Bruce

    Before Picks: 13, 32, 44, 51, 53 & 89
    After Picks: 23, 44, 51 & 89 —- Bruce & Keath
    So we lose our first round for a 10 pick downgrade to get the deals done

    Weren't the Crows offering pick 23 and Keath for pick 13 to start with?
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    Re: Proactive Poaching

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    So we lose our first round for a 10 pick downgrade to get the deals done

    Weren't the Crows offering pick 23 and Keath for pick 13 to start with?
    Yep. And give up a third rounder to move 32 into 28.... so their magic solution is do what Adelaide wanted and then add even more. Not exactly a compromise. Not exactly we’ll thought out. There’s other options to open up.
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    Re: Proactive Poaching

    Quote Originally Posted by Twodogs View Post
    That's a good point. With the slaughter at Adelaide in the last couple of weeks there may be nobody around to play devil's advocate.

    They do seem to be a little bit all over the place going from pick 48 to 32 then not really committing to anything.
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    Re: Proactive Poaching

    I think if we have to deal our pick 13 to get the deals done then maybe Brisbane is the team to talk to

    We offer them 13 and 51 for their picks 21 and 34. The DVI is close

    We then deal picks 34 and 53 to the Crows for Keath and pick 49 and hold firm on pick 32 for the Saints

    We go into the draft with pick 21, 45 and 49

    I suspect though that we will hold firm on our position of keeping pick 13
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