WB Game Day V West Coast R11 2019

[merantau]

Trengove should be our #1 ruckman for 60-80% game time - he is ultra competitive in the mould of Ben Hudson. English should play forward as a dangerous key target to assist Naughton, and then go in fresh for 5-8 minutes a qtr into the ruck.

He is simply costing the team far too much playing predominantly ruck and getting absolutely hammened at atoppages.

I absolutely agree with this. Trengove may as well not have been out there today but English cannot play back so we needed another tall defender in. Lewis Young is the only one I can think of.

[Danjul]

I absolutely agree with this. Trengove may as well not have been out there today but English cannot play back so we needed another tall defender in. Lewis Young is the only one I can think of.

???? I thought Trengove did a good job keeping Kennedy to 9 possessions.

The fact that Kennedy got 3 goals is only a surprise because everyone would expect more. That’s what champions do.

The eagles had 2 strong experienced power forwards who kicked 9 goals. We kicked 10.

All top teams prioritise key forwards, the Dogs haven’t for years.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Trengove should be our #1 ruckman for 60-80% game time - he is ultra competitive in the mould of Ben Hudson. English should play forward as a dangerous key target to assist Naughton, and then go in fresh for 5-8 minutes a qtr into the ruck.

He is simply costing the team far too much playing predominantly ruck and getting absolutely hammened at atoppages.

Trengrove into the ruck and English up forward makes a lot of sense. Would prefer to see Naughton and Lew Young tried as our key defenders and use Cordy as our third tall defender. This would mean using Schache at CHF with English as the other key forward in an attempt to consolidate our key backs and forwards. Our defence has had 20 goals on average kicked against it in the past 3 games and believe that Naughton would strengthen a weakness down back at the moment.

[bornadog]

Trengove should be our #1 ruckman for 60-80% game time - he is ultra competitive in the mould of Ben Hudson. English should play forward as a dangerous key target to assist Naughton, and then go in fresh for 5-8 minutes a qtr into the ruck.

He is simply costing the team far too much playing predominantly ruck and getting absolutely hammened at atoppages.

Who plays fullback on the gorilla's?

[merantau]

???? I thought Trengove did a good job keeping Kennedy to 9 possessions.

The fact that Kennedy got 3 goals is only a surprise because everyone would expect more. That’s what champions do.

The eagles had 2 strong experienced power forwards who kicked 9 goals. We kicked 10.

All top teams prioritise key forwards, the Dogs haven’t for years.

Well that is true Kennedy had only nine possessions but I don't think that was because Trengove had a good game on him. I CANNOT remember one instance of Trengove generating anything out of defence. I do remember him gifting Kennedy a goal when he was 8 mts off him and a scrubby kick came in and Kennedy took an easy chest mark. That is not good enough from an experienced player. I think he goes well in the ruck and would be happy to see him in that role. Letting Roughie go is starting to look like a major blunder.

[jeemak]

Who plays fullback on the gorilla's?

Who are the gorillas? To me that's the point, they don't really exist anymore.

All of the really strong players in the comp, apart from the odd resting rucks are really quick. Defenders evolve as forwards evolve, not the other way around.

If we want to stop strong quick forwards having an impact then we need to fix our issues up the ground to slow play down when we don't have it, like other teams do against us. That way we can actually have two players hitting the oppositions best forwards in a contest rather than relying on one on ones.

Just check out the way we defended in 2016. It wasn't because we had amazing key defenders, on the contrary, they were a motley bunch of triers. It was because everything up the ground was almost perfect enough to allow our defenders to help each other, and this is something we haven't seen this year.

[bornadog]

Who are the gorillas? To me that's the point, they don't really exist anymore.

Ok, let me describe them as tall players that can play.

Assuming Trengove rucks, who plays on Kennedy, Cox, Buddy, Cameron, Dixon, Hawkins, Hipwood, Lynch, Hogan, Daniher (when fit), Bruce, Brown, Wight and Mckay?

[G-Mo77]

Letting Roughie go is starting to look like a major blunder.

It was always a blunder. We needed to keep 1 of either him or Campbell and we gave them away. Boyd, if was actually fit in mind was not healthy in body and was a long way off. English is just a kid learning. Why were both so expendable? I'm kind of happy we got an egg right between the eyes with the way Roughy is playing right now. We should never have thrown him away like garbage.

[Ghost Dog]

Who are the gorillas? To me that's the point, they don't really exist anymore.

All of the really strong players in the comp, apart from the odd resting rucks are really quick. Defenders evolve as forwards evolve, not the other way around.

If we want to stop strong quick forwards having an impact then we need to fix our issues up the ground to slow play down when we don't have it, like other teams do against us. That way we can actually have two players hitting the oppositions best forwards in a contest rather than relying on one on ones.

Just check out the way we defended in 2016. It wasn't because we had amazing key defenders, on the contrary, they were a motley bunch of triers. It was because everything up the ground was almost perfect enough to allow our defenders to help each other, and this is something we haven't seen this year.

Dale Morris is a bit more than a trier. He has negated some of the great players in recent history. I see your point and we need to fix the midfield, but sometimes you just cannot stop the flow. We can't always have it on those terms. And on those days, who are you going to call on? Morris has a history of negating Riewoldt, Buddy, dangerous players who are not quick. ( Patton, Cox, loads of KPF players in recent history who are slow ). Zaine Cordy doesn't have the strength. There will always be the occasional need for a strong, tall-playing defender, a player like Morris, Roughy, or Trengrove.

[Rocket Science]

Our tale of talls since the end of last season's been quite the wild ride.

Roughy? ... There's the door mate.
TC? ... Are you still here? Follow him.
Adams? ... Sure, we'll drive you to the airport.
Morris? ... You've done your what again?
Boyd? ... Sigh. All the best son.
Schache? ... Have a spell. But try harder, or something.
Roberts? ... Fine, up you come. Oh that's right, back you go.
Gardner? ... Because nothing says everything's fine like drafting a trier then immediately handing him a guernsey. Against the, you know, premiers.

[Mofra]

Our tale of talls since the end of last season's been quite the wild ride.

Roughy? ... There's the door mate.
TC? ... Are you still here? Follow him.
Adams? ... Sure, we'll drive you to the airport.
Morris? ... You've done your what again?
Boyd? ... Sigh. All the best son.
Schache? ... Have a spell. But try harder, or something.
Roberts? ... Fine, up you come. Oh that's right, back you go.
Gardner? ... Because nothing says everything's fine like drafting a trier then immediately handing him a guernsey. Against the, you know, premiers.

You missed a couple.

Naughton: You've spent all pre-season in defence, um, try forward. Shit, you're actually good!
Trengove: Ok you've spent all pre-season as a ruck. Enjoy the VFL. Oh, um, he's your promotion now go to defence.
Young La: Ok you're skinny, raw, and... wait you can actually play. Here's soem senior gametime.
Young Le: Now you're a utility son, enjoy the ride.

[bornadog]

Our tale of talls since the end of last season's been quite the wild ride.

Roughy? ... There's the door mate.
TC? ... Are you still here? Follow him.
Adams? ... Sure, we'll drive you to the airport.
Morris? ... You've done your what again?
Boyd? ... Sigh. All the best son.
Schache? ... Have a spell. But try harder, or something.
Roberts? ... Fine, up you come. Oh that's right, back you go.
Gardner? ... Because nothing says everything's fine like drafting a trier then immediately handing him a guernsey. Against the, you know, premiers.

OR

Roughy - Can't ruck, third man up hid his deficiency. Backline, well Pies have Darcy as the main man, plus a very good mature defence that helps him.
TC - not good enough
Adams- constantly injured never on the park anyway
Morris - yeah injured, too short for the modern game as a tall anyway
Boyd - unfortunate mental breakdown, not clubs fault
Schache - needs to do more, still learning the game
Roberts - too slow
Gardner - well last man standing

Lew Young - again learning the game.

[Twodogs]

Did anyone else notice that Gardner started the game on the wing?

Bevo must read WOOF and was feeling in a playful mood...

[Danjul]

OR

Roughy - Can't ruck, third man up hid his deficiency. Backline, well Pies have Darcy as the main man, plus a very good mature defence that helps him.
TC - not good enough
Adams- constantly injured never on the park anyway
Morris - yeah injured, too short for the modern game as a tall anyway
Boyd - unfortunate mental breakdown, not clubs fault
Schache - needs to do more, still learning the game
Roberts - too slow
Gardner - well last man standing

Lew Young - again learning the game.

how many more years will it take for Lewis Young and Schache to learn the game, 90% of which amounts to get the ball and kick the ball.

And Roughead was a good fullback before he was turned into a poor ruckman, because the better ruckman couldn’t run like a midfielder.

[bornadog]

how many more years will it take for Lewis Young and Schache to learn the game, 90% of which amounts to get the ball and kick the ball.
And Roughead was a good fullback before he was turned into a poor ruckman, because the better ruckman couldn’t run like a midfielder.

How long have you been following footy? You know that talls take longer to mature - Young is 20 years old and Schache 21 and both have not played 50 games yet. (11 and 44)

Roughead was never a good Fullback with us.