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Re: When things aren’t always as they seem
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Something that seems not what it is, are skills. Often people on this forum complain about our skills, however looking at the stats:
We are currently ranked last for Clangers, and first for disposal efficiency. We are also second for Effective Disposals.
Handpasses and short kicks into space due to lack of long marking targets
If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.
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Re: When things aren’t always as they seem
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
I'd argue that Dahlhaus hasn't made a lot of difference to Geelong who could easily cover him but if the Pies were to lose Roughead I think they would struggle.
Gary I love you but this isn't right. Dahlhaus is clearly a better player right now and forever than Roughead and has been awesome for Geelong this year.
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Re: When things aren’t always as they seem
Originally Posted by
boydogs
Handpasses and short kicks into space due to lack of long marking targets
I have seen quite a few discussions on this forum use different logical sequences and still finish up with this conclusion.
so maybe it is correct.
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Re: When things aren’t always as they seem
Originally Posted by
Happy Days
Gary I love you but this isn't right. Dahlhaus is clearly a better player right now and forever than Roughead and has been awesome for Geelong this year.
I'm talking about the impact to each team not on who is the better player.
Geelong could lose Dahlhaus to an injury and I doubt they would miss a beat, I don't think the Pies could easily cover Roughead though
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Re: When things aren’t always as they seem
Originally Posted by
Rocket Science
Sure, one can't credibly assert we're the same team as back then, but I certainly hadn't expected the majority of the league to have a higher list turnover rate than us, not forgetting that Boyd & Picken likely put us at the head of the pack had they not both retired.
Speaking of turnover or lack thereof, I just noticed this with interest too ...
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Not wasting a minute': Struggling Dees' coaching shake-up
That's a slap in the face for B-mac. Down to 'mentoring' the AFL and VFL assistants. What does that even mean? "Don't come monday but we will keep paying you until your contract is finished?"
They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.
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Re: When things aren’t always as they seem
this is a really great thread, enjoyed reading it a lot!
I'm a huge Bevo fan but agree he doesnt often seem to have a plan B. He seems like an extreme Alpha who wont take direction and input from others Just like the playing group need to operate as a team, the coaching panel need to do the same and I dont see anyone there that would challenge him and inject new thinking when we stagnate. Sure this is common w senior coaches.
The dam wall has busted!
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Re: When things aren’t always as they seem
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
I'm talking about the impact to each team not on who is the better player.
Geelong could lose Dahlhaus to an injury and I doubt they would miss a beat, I don't think the Pies could easily cover Roughead though
Without being able to check the stats, Geelong have been enormous this year at repeat entries and locking the ball in their forward half (ie. what we were once praised for), and Dahlhaus has been their best forward pressure player. He's a key cog for them right now.
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Re: When things aren’t always as they seem
Originally Posted by
Scorlibo
Without being able to check the stats, Geelong have been enormous this year at repeat entries and locking the ball in their forward half (ie. what we were once praised for), and Dahlhaus has been their best forward pressure player. He's a key cog for them right now.
Geelong are ranked 13th for inside 50's yet they have kicked the most goals. This tells me when they get the ball inside 50, they will get a goal more often than other teams, but that doesn't mean they lock it in. I agree with GVGjr, if they lost Dahl right now, their performance would not be really effected.
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Re: When things aren’t always as they seem
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Geelong are ranked 13th for inside 50's yet they have kicked the most goals. This tells me when they get the ball inside 50, they will get a goal more often than other teams, but that doesn't mean they lock it in. I agree with GVGjr, if they lost Dahl right now, their performance would not be really effected.
They basically let Menzel go who was terrible for forward pressure and brought in four guys who are elite at it (Dahl, Tom Atkins from the VFL, Gryan Miers who was a second round pick and Dahl clone right down to the hair, and Gary Rohan who they got for peanuts).
In one trade period they turned their weakness into a strength, noting Miers was already on their list but in his first season was developing a VFL level.
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20-06-2019, 03:41 PM
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Re: When things aren’t always as they seem
Originally Posted by
Mofra
They basically let Menzel go who was terrible for forward pressure and brought in four guys who are elite at it (Dahl, Tom Atkins from the VFL, Gryan Miers who was a second round pick and Dahl clone right down to the hair, and Gary Rohan who they got for peanuts).
In one trade period they turned their weakness into a strength, noting Miers was already on their list but in his first season was developing a VFL level.
You guys really need to listen to the latest edition of the 'TRENDS' podcast. They talk quite a bit about Geelong, the problem with the kicking efficiency ranking and the better stat/measure you should be talking about...I know a few people who will also be happy to hear how Geelong have won 2-games they should have lost (vs Collingwood and vs North) simply because they 'out-kicked the expectation' in terms of goal-kicking (and vs North it made a difference of > 4 goals).
What should I tell her? She's going to ask.
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20-06-2019, 05:00 PM
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Re: When things aren’t always as they seem
Originally Posted by
Scorlibo
Without being able to check the stats, Geelong have been enormous this year at repeat entries and locking the ball in their forward half (ie. what we were once praised for), and Dahlhaus has been their best forward pressure player. He's a key cog for them right now.
So playing dahlhaus in one position has ensured that he plays to his strengths?
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20-06-2019, 07:39 PM
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Re: When things aren’t always as they seem
Originally Posted by
mjp
You guys really need to listen to the latest edition of the 'TRENDS' podcast. They talk quite a bit about Geelong, the problem with the kicking efficiency ranking and the better stat/measure you should be talking about...I know a few people who will also be happy to hear how Geelong have won 2-games they should have lost (vs Collingwood and vs North) simply because they 'out-kicked the expectation' in terms of goal-kicking (and vs North it made a difference of > 4 goals).
What does that mean? That they kicked straighter than we thought they would?
They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.
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20-06-2019, 08:08 PM
#103
Re: When things aren’t always as they seem
Originally Posted by
Twodogs
What does that mean? That they kicked straighter than we thought they would?
Basically. Given the difficulty of the shots they should have missed more than they did.
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20-06-2019, 08:24 PM
#104
Re: When things aren’t always as they seem
Originally Posted by
hujsh
Basically. Given the difficulty of the shots they should have missed more than they did.
Lots of flukes
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20-06-2019, 08:57 PM
#105
Re: When things aren’t always as they seem
I wonder if Geelong’s accuracy is linked to their home ground advantage.