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  • Sledging umpires is a great tradition!

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    Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    One Carlton fan kicked out. Some Richmond cheer squad members kicked out. What's your view?

    While I think Adam Goodes is a great guy, I personally do not think minors should be ejected from games without a guardian. And people insulting umpires should probably get one warning or anyone for that matter.

    An Age commentator chimed on the recent ejection of a Carlton fan " Overbearing and politicised is the entire AFL nowadays. Trying (and failing dismally) to be all things holy and a beacon of perfection to everyone. Just stick to your knitting."
    I remember once going to the baseball in Japan and it was like attending parent's day at a school play. Everyone clapped politely at the same time. Is this what we want our game to become like?

    How are you we supposed to get umpires if we can't stop them being abused? What if an umpire has mental health struggles?

    Is the argument about 'It's a workplace and umpires should not have to tolerate that' valid in a highly competitive sporting comp? It's not like any other work place!

    Many issues there.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    I get the passion that supporters have at AFL games and it's a great tradition and one I would hate to see lost on a game that has become all too clinical.
    I do however, go back to some advice I received as a youngster and that was about the fact that you attend sporting events as a supporter and therefore that should be your primary reason for attending the game is to support your team. It's doesn't mean getting in the face of opposition supporters, it doesn't mean abusing umpires or opposition players especially in a coordinated way.
    We just don't need to boo players or officials as it adds nothing to the game but too many people think it's their paid up right to abuse people when it isn't. I especially dislike the almost coordinated manner or pack mentality with how it's been happening over the last few years.

    We shouldn't be disrespecting people in the manner we have been but I think it's going to get worse.

    Even educating people won't work and we only have to look at gambling addition and drug use in the footy community to know that all the education in the world won't stop people making bad decisions.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Give people something better to do?

    In China the level of fan engagement at sporting events is full on. They give away lots of stuff, lots of polls you can enter via wechat, scantily clad cheer leaders ( one thing we don't seem to be copying from American sports! ).
    AFL day game entertainment tends to be a little budget and overall, woeful. Maybe this is one remedy besides 'education' which may or may not work.
    I can't remember ever going to a game and coming home thinking ' wow that half time entertainment was good'.
    Do we need a selection of 'appropriate things to shout at the umpire' listed on the back of the footy record?

    The AFL is highly unimaginative and lacking in fun. During the Goodes thing they could have created one of those huge inflatable balls they used to have at the cricket in Aboriginal colours and had it doing the rounds of the crowds during half time. Would have kept people entertained and a gentle reminder. Bad idea? well anyway they are just not very inventive or creative with fan engagement. Maybe they need to hire Titus.
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    Regarding Goodes GD, the AFL is far better for the Nicky Winmar line in the sand type moment and it's sad to say it was highly controversial at the time and it will be better for Adam Goodes calling out racism despite the age of the young lady doing it.
    Players like Winmar and Goodes felt obligated to make those stances and I feel they were targeted for doing what they were supposed to.

    Booing GAJ or umpires might be the 'in thing' at the moment but hopefully many will learn that it's not the right thing to do week after week
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    I voted "Warning". Tossing someone out over that is absurd.

    Unpopular opinion... I think Goodes did more to advance the "Adam Goodes is a complete flog" argument than the "Australia is racist" argument, when he took on that child. It was disgraceful then, and it is now, to see a child publicly held up as "the face of racism". Still think he's a flog and that's why he was booed. Eddie Betts is a star, he's indigenous, he doesn't get roundly booed.

    Gablett gets booed because he's a flog, and as recent events show, is treated differently to the rest of the league when it comes to applying the rules. That's gonna get you booed - and I have no issue with it.

    I agree with the comment re: sports in Japan. Their music concerts are the same. No thanks.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    Regarding Goodes GD, the AFL is far better for the Nicky Winmar line in the sand type moment and it's sad to say it was highly controversial at the time and it will be better for Adam Goodes calling out racism despite the age of the young lady doing it.
    Players like Winmar and Goodes felt obligated to make those stances and I feel they were targeted for doing what they were supposed to.

    Booing GAJ or umpires might be the 'in thing' at the moment but hopefully many will learn that it's not the right thing to do week after week
    I'm not sure the AFL is going to get the desired result in it's handling of this and other matters.

    Kids should never be dragged out of a stadium by themselves if they are underage. If necessary they and a parent should be escorted out. There were several options available but it seems like the AFL hasn't really thought their game day policies through very carefully. Do players have the right to ask a fan to be ejected at any time? Who gets to decide if the player is correct? What if an umpire or player mishears of misinterprets what a fan says? It's going to work far better if you have sporting communities working with you. I don't think many people have an appreciation of what it takes to be an umpire. We don't celebrate their roles nearly enough.

    If this is going to be the policy at AFL level why not get Cricket involved? And Rugby?
    I am not sure education is a complete waste of time. The campaign to quieten parents down at local games was a good one I thought and necessary. It's just these things need to be maintained over time I guess and unified at stadium level across codes.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Dog View Post
    Adam did the right thing, but I'm not sure the AFL is going to get the desired result in it's handling of the matter. As the recent documentary shows, they really stuffed it up. Kids should never be dragged out of a stadium by themselves if they are underage. If necessary they and a parent should be escorted out.
    Today's club statement is interesting. For two reasons as I see it.
    1. The use of the term tragedy. (See Congo and Belgians, Holocaust and treatment of First Australians by European settlers as examples of actual tragedy).
    2. This paragraph "In late 2014, we were horrified by this unfolding tragedy including the behaviour of significant sections of our own supporter base attending the Round 22 match against Sydney at the then Etihad Stadium"

    Our club has just released a public statement saying significant sections (I'd have that at well over 50% more like 75%) of us, as supporters, were complicit in a tragedy.

    I don't know what to think about that. I'll need some time to digest it I think.

    Would like to get others thoughts. Pretty smart people on here.

    For the poll I chose warning.

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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    How may people in the work force can handle a lot of scrutiny now?

    From my experience, you have to be so careful when doing your one-on-one catch-up's with staff and especially during the formal appraisal process. So many people are fragile and can't handle constructive feedback, they despise being measured against their KPI's singling out any little reason as primary factors on why they haven't hit their targets and yet they demand to be treated as professionals and often say they don't need to be managed.
    I wonder how many of them then go to the footy on the weekend to pay out on others they don't feel are measuring up?

    There are some double standards in the way many are treating others and it's interesting that some people think it's their god given right to call people flogs and boo them because it supposedly needs to be called out.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewP6 View Post
    I voted "Warning". Tossing someone out over that is absurd.

    Unpopular opinion... I think Goodes did more to advance the "Adam Goodes is a complete flog" argument than the "Australia is racist" argument, when he took on that child. It was disgraceful then, and it is now, to see a child publicly held up as "the face of racism". Still think he's a flog and that's why he was booed. Eddie Betts is a star, he's indigenous, he doesn't get roundly booed.

    Gablett gets booed because he's a flog, and as recent events show, is treated differently to the rest of the league when it comes to applying the rules. That's gonna get you booed - and I have no issue with it.

    I agree with the comment re: sports in Japan. Their music concerts are the same. No thanks.
    Appreciate this post. If the topic is should we kick people out or not, I agree that ejecting people for sledging an umpire is very heavy handed,( if this rule applied in the premier league half the stadium would be out! ) and has to be done carefully with minors. Tend to think the AFL's handling of things didn't really advance Adam's cause. Footy is a lightning rod for emotions. Better to take the steam out of things than approach it as they do. Surely if you took a few officials over to the Richmond mob behind the goals and had a few words to the leaders it would calm them down. The worry is it turns into a game of whack-a-mole, with people just not wanting to get caught, rather than finding better ways to express themselves.
    But this is Melbourne. You get on a train and if you haven't tapped your Myki you are suddenly surrounded by three green people with big boots and note pads. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Dog View Post
    I'm not sure the AFL is going to get the desired result in it's handling of this and other matters.

    Kids should never be dragged out of a stadium by themselves if they are underage. If necessary they and a parent should be escorted out. There were several options available but it seems like the AFL hasn't really thought their game day policies through very carefully. Do players have the right to ask a fan to be ejected at any time? Who gets to decide if the player is correct? What if an umpire or player mishears of misinterprets what a fan says? It's going to work far better if you have sporting communities working with you. I don't think many people have an appreciation of what it takes to be an umpire. We don't celebrate their roles nearly enough.

    If this is going to be the policy at AFL level why not get Cricket involved? And Rugby?
    I am not sure education is a complete waste of time. The campaign to quieten parents down at local games was a good one I thought and necessary. It's just these things need to be maintained over time I guess and unified at stadium level across codes.
    That's a good assessment. There is nothing in there that I don't agree with. From what I remember Goodes ran at a Carlton supporter shaking his fist in an action that Goodes himself later described as a war dance. What was the Carlton supporter doing that deserved that? Are we to believe that Goodes concentration was waning to the extent that he was listening to the crowd rather than what his teammates were saying?


    I can remember Tony Liberatore being booed and abused every time he had the ball in his hands and Libba's attitude was "Bring it on. At least when they are booing me I know that I am getting plenty of the ball" While some might say that two wrongs don't make a right I still know who's attitude I support.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by Twodogs View Post
    That's a good assessment. There is nothing in there that I don't agree with. From what I remember Goodes ran at a Carlton supporter shaking his fist in an action that Goodes himself later described as a war dance. What was the Carlton supporter doing that deserved that? Are we to believe that Goodes concentration was waning to the extent that he was listening to the crowd rather than what his teammates were saying?


    I can remember Tony Liberatore being booed and abused every time he had the ball in his hands and Libba's attitude was "Bring it on. At least when they are booing me I know that I am getting plenty of the ball" While some might say that two wrongs don't make a right I still know who's attitude I support.
    Cheers TD. Fans to be given a warning for you TD? Or make sledging umpires accepted part of the game, as they do in soccer.

    Don't want to turn a thread into a revisionist thing of that one incident, but I guess all people wish they had done things differently at that time regards that issue.
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    I fully agree with not swearing at umpires but for the life of me I cannot see the problem in giving the umpire some "good advice". I do it from time to time and I will continue to do it when the umpiring deserves it. I will post on WOOF if I am kicked out.

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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Dog View Post
    Fans to be given a warning for you TD? Or make sledging umpires accepted part of the game, as they do in soccer.

    Adam was trying to fumble his way through a complex situation I think ( with a bit of dance creativity, probably was trying to borrow from the Hakka ) Don't want to turn a thread into a revisionist thing of that one incident, but I guess all people wish they had done things differently at that time regards that issue.

    Greg Inglis used to do a goanna dance when he scored a try and no-one ever got upset about that, in fact outside of NRL I would be surprised if anyone even knew he did it. We can honor different racial aspects without getting out knickers into a knot about it.

    I voted that sledging umpires is a great tradition.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grantysghost View Post
    Today's club statement is interesting. For two reasons as I see it.
    1. The use of the term tragedy. (See Congo and Belgians, Holocaust and treatment of First Australians by European settlers as examples of actual tragedy).
    2. This paragraph "In late 2014, we were horrified by this unfolding tragedy including the behaviour of significant sections of our own supporter base attending the Round 22 match against Sydney at the then Etihad Stadium"

    Our club has just released a public statement saying significant sections (I'd have that at well over 50% more like 75%) of us, as supporters, were complicit in a tragedy.

    I don't know what to think about that. I'll need some time to digest it I think.

    Would like to get others thoughts. Pretty smart people on here.

    For the poll I chose warning.
    I just read the whole thing. I'm not sure why we needed to put it out, obviously there's some good reason I don't see. And the evidence of our commitment to equality was (among others) Bobby wearing a 37 jumper for one single game's coin toss doesn't change a single thing or help one indigenous Australian. If that's among our best evidence of commitment to equality, we need to maybe do something of substance. I don't have strong feelings either way, I'm probably just more confused by it more than anything.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Dog View Post
    scantily clad cheer leaders ( one thing we don't seem to be copying from American sports! ).
    Thank goodness we don't do this - absolutely demeaning to women. WE tried this in the 70's, and we had Charlie's Angels cheersquad. A bunch of girls with not much on - maybe the men like it, but I am 100% sure most women wouldn't have.

    On the question of being thrown out for abusing the umpire - I think a warning if it is not spouting racial vilification, or hatred towards the minority etc - is appropriate. Using the word Poof like the Carlton supporter is not on.
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