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    Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    One Carlton fan kicked out. Some Richmond cheer squad members kicked out. What's your view?

    While I think Adam Goodes is a great guy, I personally do not think minors should be ejected from games without a guardian. And people insulting umpires should probably get one warning or anyone for that matter.

    An Age commentator chimed on the recent ejection of a Carlton fan " Overbearing and politicised is the entire AFL nowadays. Trying (and failing dismally) to be all things holy and a beacon of perfection to everyone. Just stick to your knitting."
    I remember once going to the baseball in Japan and it was like attending parent's day at a school play. Everyone clapped politely at the same time. Is this what we want our game to become like?

    How are you we supposed to get umpires if we can't stop them being abused? What if an umpire has mental health struggles?

    Is the argument about 'It's a workplace and umpires should not have to tolerate that' valid in a highly competitive sporting comp? It's not like any other work place!

    Many issues there.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    I get the passion that supporters have at AFL games and it's a great tradition and one I would hate to see lost on a game that has become all too clinical.
    I do however, go back to some advice I received as a youngster and that was about the fact that you attend sporting events as a supporter and therefore that should be your primary reason for attending the game is to support your team. It's doesn't mean getting in the face of opposition supporters, it doesn't mean abusing umpires or opposition players especially in a coordinated way.
    We just don't need to boo players or officials as it adds nothing to the game but too many people think it's their paid up right to abuse people when it isn't. I especially dislike the almost coordinated manner or pack mentality with how it's been happening over the last few years.

    We shouldn't be disrespecting people in the manner we have been but I think it's going to get worse.

    Even educating people won't work and we only have to look at gambling addition and drug use in the footy community to know that all the education in the world won't stop people making bad decisions.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Give people something better to do?

    In China the level of fan engagement at sporting events is full on. They give away lots of stuff, lots of polls you can enter via wechat, scantily clad cheer leaders ( one thing we don't seem to be copying from American sports! ).
    AFL day game entertainment tends to be a little budget and overall, woeful. Maybe this is one remedy besides 'education' which may or may not work.
    I can't remember ever going to a game and coming home thinking ' wow that half time entertainment was good'.
    Do we need a selection of 'appropriate things to shout at the umpire' listed on the back of the footy record?

    The AFL is highly unimaginative and lacking in fun. During the Goodes thing they could have created one of those huge inflatable balls they used to have at the cricket in Aboriginal colours and had it doing the rounds of the crowds during half time. Would have kept people entertained and a gentle reminder. Bad idea? well anyway they are just not very inventive or creative with fan engagement. Maybe they need to hire Titus.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    How may people in the work force can handle a lot of scrutiny now?

    From my experience, you have to be so careful when doing your one-on-one catch-up's with staff and especially during the formal appraisal process. So many people are fragile and can't handle constructive feedback, they despise being measured against their KPI's singling out any little reason as primary factors on why they haven't hit their targets and yet they demand to be treated as professionals and often say they don't need to be managed.
    I wonder how many of them then go to the footy on the weekend to pay out on others they don't feel are measuring up?

    There are some double standards in the way many are treating others and it's interesting that some people think it's their god given right to call people flogs and boo them because it supposedly needs to be called out.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Dog View Post
    scantily clad cheer leaders ( one thing we don't seem to be copying from American sports! ).
    Thank goodness we don't do this - absolutely demeaning to women. WE tried this in the 70's, and we had Charlie's Angels cheersquad. A bunch of girls with not much on - maybe the men like it, but I am 100% sure most women wouldn't have.

    On the question of being thrown out for abusing the umpire - I think a warning if it is not spouting racial vilification, or hatred towards the minority etc - is appropriate. Using the word Poof like the Carlton supporter is not on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Thank goodness we don't do this - absolutely demeaning to women. WE tried this in the 70's, and we had Charlie's Angels cheersquad. A bunch of girls with not much on - maybe the men like it, but I am 100% sure most women wouldn't have.

    On the question of being thrown out for abusing the umpire - I think a warning if it is not spouting racial vilification, or hatred towards the minority etc - is appropriate. Using the word Poof like the Carlton supporter is not on.
    Different culture isn't it! Even in some US primary schools, I heard they have cheerleading competitions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Thank goodness we don't do this - absolutely demeaning to women. WE tried this in the 70's, and we had Charlie's Angels cheersquad. A bunch of girls with not much on - maybe the men like it, but I am 100% sure most women wouldn't have.

    On the question of being thrown out for abusing the umpire - I think a warning if it is not spouting racial vilification, or hatred towards the minority etc - is appropriate. Using the word Poof like the Carlton supporter is not on.
    The Carlton fan says he used the word flog and he was choosing his words carefully because of what happened to the Richmond cheer squad last week. Umpires and the like need to be careful here, they don't get the benefit of speaking with privilege, if they say that someone called them a poof then they have to be able to prove that the person they have picked out of a crowd of thousands did indeed call them a poof or face the fact that they have defamed someone's character, caused that person to be vilified and had them thrown out of the ground because they have imagined an insult.

    I couldn't be that sure.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by Twodogs View Post
    The Carlton fan says he used the word flog and he was choosing his words carefully because of what happened to the Richmond cheer squad last week. Umpires and the like need to be careful here, they don't get the benefit of speaking with privilege, if they say that someone called them a poof then they have to be able to prove that the person they have picked out of a crowd of thousands did indeed call them a poof or face the fact that they have defamed someone's character, caused that person to be vilified and had them thrown out of the ground because they have imagined an insult.

    I couldn't be that sure.
    Thanks, I did see they changed it to flog.

    I wonder if you have any redress against the Stadium management. Where does it say in the terms of entry you can't call someone a flog
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Thanks, I did see they changed it to flog.

    I wonder if you have any redress against the Stadium management. Where does it say in the terms of entry you can't call someone a flog
    No worries BAD.

    If the guy were to take action then it would be against the umpire in question wouldn't it? If this has played out in the way it's said to have then he's the one who has slandered the Carlton supporter. I doubt stadium management or the umpires' department send umpires out and tell them to defame fans.

    This is down to the individual (umpire) in question. He needs to understand that his action had a consequence for the person he pointed out and I hope that person takes an action and gets the remedy the law says he should, whether that's an apology or financial recompense.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Regarding Goodes GD, the AFL is far better for the Nicky Winmar line in the sand type moment and it's sad to say it was highly controversial at the time and it will be better for Adam Goodes calling out racism despite the age of the young lady doing it.
    Players like Winmar and Goodes felt obligated to make those stances and I feel they were targeted for doing what they were supposed to.

    Booing GAJ or umpires might be the 'in thing' at the moment but hopefully many will learn that it's not the right thing to do week after week
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    Regarding Goodes GD, the AFL is far better for the Nicky Winmar line in the sand type moment and it's sad to say it was highly controversial at the time and it will be better for Adam Goodes calling out racism despite the age of the young lady doing it.
    Players like Winmar and Goodes felt obligated to make those stances and I feel they were targeted for doing what they were supposed to.

    Booing GAJ or umpires might be the 'in thing' at the moment but hopefully many will learn that it's not the right thing to do week after week
    I'm not sure the AFL is going to get the desired result in it's handling of this and other matters.

    Kids should never be dragged out of a stadium by themselves if they are underage. If necessary they and a parent should be escorted out. There were several options available but it seems like the AFL hasn't really thought their game day policies through very carefully. Do players have the right to ask a fan to be ejected at any time? Who gets to decide if the player is correct? What if an umpire or player mishears of misinterprets what a fan says? It's going to work far better if you have sporting communities working with you. I don't think many people have an appreciation of what it takes to be an umpire. We don't celebrate their roles nearly enough.

    If this is going to be the policy at AFL level why not get Cricket involved? And Rugby?
    I am not sure education is a complete waste of time. The campaign to quieten parents down at local games was a good one I thought and necessary. It's just these things need to be maintained over time I guess and unified at stadium level across codes.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Dog View Post
    Adam did the right thing, but I'm not sure the AFL is going to get the desired result in it's handling of the matter. As the recent documentary shows, they really stuffed it up. Kids should never be dragged out of a stadium by themselves if they are underage. If necessary they and a parent should be escorted out.
    Today's club statement is interesting. For two reasons as I see it.
    1. The use of the term tragedy. (See Congo and Belgians, Holocaust and treatment of First Australians by European settlers as examples of actual tragedy).
    2. This paragraph "In late 2014, we were horrified by this unfolding tragedy including the behaviour of significant sections of our own supporter base attending the Round 22 match against Sydney at the then Etihad Stadium"

    Our club has just released a public statement saying significant sections (I'd have that at well over 50% more like 75%) of us, as supporters, were complicit in a tragedy.

    I don't know what to think about that. I'll need some time to digest it I think.

    Would like to get others thoughts. Pretty smart people on here.

    For the poll I chose warning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grantysghost View Post
    Today's club statement is interesting. For two reasons as I see it.
    1. The use of the term tragedy. (See Congo and Belgians, Holocaust and treatment of First Australians by European settlers as examples of actual tragedy).
    2. This paragraph "In late 2014, we were horrified by this unfolding tragedy including the behaviour of significant sections of our own supporter base attending the Round 22 match against Sydney at the then Etihad Stadium"

    Our club has just released a public statement saying significant sections (I'd have that at well over 50% more like 75%) of us, as supporters, were complicit in a tragedy.

    I don't know what to think about that. I'll need some time to digest it I think.

    Would like to get others thoughts. Pretty smart people on here.

    For the poll I chose warning.
    I just read the whole thing. I'm not sure why we needed to put it out, obviously there's some good reason I don't see. And the evidence of our commitment to equality was (among others) Bobby wearing a 37 jumper for one single game's coin toss doesn't change a single thing or help one indigenous Australian. If that's among our best evidence of commitment to equality, we need to maybe do something of substance. I don't have strong feelings either way, I'm probably just more confused by it more than anything.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Dog View Post
    I'm not sure the AFL is going to get the desired result in it's handling of this and other matters.

    Kids should never be dragged out of a stadium by themselves if they are underage. If necessary they and a parent should be escorted out. There were several options available but it seems like the AFL hasn't really thought their game day policies through very carefully. Do players have the right to ask a fan to be ejected at any time? Who gets to decide if the player is correct? What if an umpire or player mishears of misinterprets what a fan says? It's going to work far better if you have sporting communities working with you. I don't think many people have an appreciation of what it takes to be an umpire. We don't celebrate their roles nearly enough.

    If this is going to be the policy at AFL level why not get Cricket involved? And Rugby?
    I am not sure education is a complete waste of time. The campaign to quieten parents down at local games was a good one I thought and necessary. It's just these things need to be maintained over time I guess and unified at stadium level across codes.
    That's a good assessment. There is nothing in there that I don't agree with. From what I remember Goodes ran at a Carlton supporter shaking his fist in an action that Goodes himself later described as a war dance. What was the Carlton supporter doing that deserved that? Are we to believe that Goodes concentration was waning to the extent that he was listening to the crowd rather than what his teammates were saying?


    I can remember Tony Liberatore being booed and abused every time he had the ball in his hands and Libba's attitude was "Bring it on. At least when they are booing me I know that I am getting plenty of the ball" While some might say that two wrongs don't make a right I still know who's attitude I support.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by Twodogs View Post
    That's a good assessment. There is nothing in there that I don't agree with. From what I remember Goodes ran at a Carlton supporter shaking his fist in an action that Goodes himself later described as a war dance. What was the Carlton supporter doing that deserved that? Are we to believe that Goodes concentration was waning to the extent that he was listening to the crowd rather than what his teammates were saying?


    I can remember Tony Liberatore being booed and abused every time he had the ball in his hands and Libba's attitude was "Bring it on. At least when they are booing me I know that I am getting plenty of the ball" While some might say that two wrongs don't make a right I still know who's attitude I support.
    Cheers TD. Fans to be given a warning for you TD? Or make sledging umpires accepted part of the game, as they do in soccer.

    Don't want to turn a thread into a revisionist thing of that one incident, but I guess all people wish they had done things differently at that time regards that issue.
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