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  • Yes kick them out. Support our umpires

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  • Sledging umpires is a great tradition!

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  • Warning given to fans before ejection

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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by mjp View Post
    People should say what they want but swearing when kids are around is a no go (obviously).

    I don't understand why people scream at the umpires to be honest. I'm pretty much support your team and outside of that just shut up...unless an opposition fan (or three) want to engage in some banter in which case go for it.
    I'm guilty of getting stuck into umpires, but if I then see a replay and realise they're right and I'm wrong I'll happily say so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjp View Post
    People should say what they want but swearing when kids are around is a no go (obviously).

    I don't understand why people scream at the umpires to be honest. I'm pretty much support your team and outside of that just shut up...unless an opposition fan (or three) want to engage in some banter in which case go for it.
    I'd agree except for that time I swore in your daughter's face at the top of my voice. It was Peter Street though...
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    I mentioned Nigel Owens earlier in the thread.

    As you can see, he strikes a healthy and humorous balance between treating players like professional athletes and naughty school boys.

    He's my favorite official in World Sports

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    As an aside I remember how crazy Carlton supporters went when they had an invisible spear chucked at them...……...they of all supporters should know how upsetting invisible stuff coming their way at a swift rate can be.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by westdog54 View Post


    I mentioned Nigel Owens earlier in the thread.

    As you can see, he strikes a healthy and humorous balance between treating players like professional athletes and naughty school boys.

    He's my favorite official in World Sports
    I cant remember if it was Graham Poll or Howard Webb that my son showed me a photo of celebrating the team they support getting a promotion (I think their team went into league one a couple of years ago) he looks very, very drunk and happy. You forget that refs mostly all follow a team because they really, really love the game.
    Have you been reading those Roddy Doyle books again, Dougal!?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Twodogs View Post
    I cant remember if it was Graham Poll or Howard Webb that my son showed me a photo of celebrating the team they support getting a promotion (I think their team went into league one a couple of years ago) he looks very, very drunk and happy. You forget that refs mostly all follow a team because they really, really love the game.
    I've listened to a few interviews with Owens and he is deeply passionate about the game and very proud to be involved in it.

    He speaks lovingly of the old style sense of respect that still exists in the game and it's reflected through the way the players because on the field, both towards each other and between the officials and players.

    There was a funny incident in the last world cup where a South African referee was shoved to the ground by USA Captain Todd Clever. The referees way of dealing with it was to tell Clever (after a separate chat with the captains, "And you're getting my washing bill".
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    One common theme that I keep hearing from the PC brigade is that verbal abuse of AFL umpires will cause umpires at local football to walk away. I am not sure where this is supposed to be happening, because I am involved in junior football in the WRFL and the respect shown to the WRFL umpires is excellent. Most weeks the umps are applauded as they enter the field, and there is plenty of encouragement and "well done guys" post game. And without fail, both teams give the umps 3 cheers post game.

    The friendly atmosphere at local footy is a long way from the toxic atmosphere that has been allowed to develop at AFL matches - and that is the fault those in the ivory towers running (or is that ruining) the game.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by Twodogs View Post
    I'd agree except for that time I swore in your daughter's face at the top of my voice. It was Peter Street though...
    I don't remember that exact moment but given she was living (and is) living in a house with me, pretty sure she would have heard that word before...

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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Its more complex than perhaps it is being presented but FWIW I have been hassled every home game for about 13 years because I have a few flags/banners that I like to hang off Lvl3. Stopped bringing them this year because I have my 3YO & I don't trust the bastards to not get violent.

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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    I've changed my mindset since about 5 years ago and generally leave the umpires alone aside from the odd outburst of bafflement.

    I can distinctly remember a first quarter against St.Kilda in about 2009 (we were getting done in the first and then dominated the remaining 3 quarters for an easy win). Where at the game we thought (and declared) we were getting screwed by the umpires with about 5 questionable decisions in that first quarter then upon watching the replay we discovered they were all excellent calls. Since then I've taken the viewpoint that they probably have a better view than I do from level 3 and that freekick counts by no means should be even.

    Sure they do stuff up occasionally, but that is bound to happen considering the pace of the game, the lack of clear and dry rules (so much is up to interpretation) and the fact that there are three different umpires all with slightly different interpretations of each incident.

    Also you have to consider that since the AFL umpires are by definition the best umpires of this sport in the world, and still have relatively frequent bad moments, that maybe the sport is actually a nightmare to adjudicate.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Interesting. This has not been handled well by AFL

    'Flog man' threatens to take AFL to court

    by Alistair Paton

    A Carlton fan who was thrown out of Marvel Stadium for abusing an umpire has threatened to sue AFL boss Gillon McLachlan.

    In a remarkable escalation of supporter backlash at the league, the fan accused McLachlan of defaming him during his weekly radio appearance on 3AW.

    The league CEO said that while the AFL decided to take no further action against the man, it found he had been removed from the ground last Saturday after he "ran across two bays" to hurl abuse at umpire Mathew Nicholls.

    "Mathew Nicholls is a very experienced umpire, I got the note for that and I followed it up, he said it was the most intimidated he's felt in his hundreds of games of football," McLachlan said.

    The fan, who calls himself Frankie, phoned the radio station after McLachlan's interview and acknowledged calling Nicholls a "bald-headed flog", but said the AFL had "thrown me under a bus".

    "Where's the footage of me running across two bays? I want to see that," he said.
    "They own the ground. Surely they can get in contact with security, let's see the footage.

    "That's a load of crap … we've all had enough."

    'Frankie' said he was happy to produce his ticket that showed his seat was at the top of the umpires' race.
    "I was standing at my seat and I haven't moved for the whole day.

    "If my hand in my pocket and the other hand holding a radio is intimidating, we've got a few issues in society."

    McLachlan said the fan – who says he is "still waiting on my official warning" – was removed for "the whole environment", not his "bald-headed flog" taunt.

    The AFL boss said fans were still allowed to boo umpires and yell insults that weren't "intimidatory", but he couldn't define where that line was.

    "Booing has been part of our game for 100 years … people boo the umpires all the time.
    "I can't prescribe for you respectful behaviour, what words are and aren't (acceptable) … the fans decide in the end.

    "Everyone should feel comfortable at the football … there's been no change in policy, I want to be clear that they should go and express themselves at the game, but it has to be respectful, and that's the way it's always been."
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Interesting. This has not been handled well by AFL



    So many sides to this story.
    Indeed. There has been so much of people being stood over by organisation's like the AFL with no comeback. You cant just go around saying what you like about people.
    Have you been reading those Roddy Doyle books again, Dougal!?


    I have, yeah Ted, you big gobshite

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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    I tell you what. NRL are starting to get the edge on AFL in many areas. I wonder if an NRL umpire has ever forced a fan to be ejected from a stadium.
    The Carlton fan is correct. Lots of security cameras at the ground. Let the truth be told.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    To me this is the correct blueprint for going to the footy. Support the team and enjoy yourself while being respectful of others.
    A bit of good natured banter goes OK as well
    Gary Ablett was once subjected to a diatribe by one of his own fans up the race. He tried to calm that person down. I remember thinking he was probably in his rights to have the fan calmed down. It was far, far worse than this incident. Or even the Goodes incident in my view. The fan was literally screaming invective at GAJ.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Dog View Post
    Gary Ablett was once subjected to a diatribe by one of his own fans up the race. He tried to calm that person down. I remember thinking he was probably in his rights to have the fan calmed down. It was far, far worse than this incident. Or even the Goodes incident in my view. The fan was literally screaming invective at GAJ.
    Libba senior used to cop the most disgusting things I have ever said from some members of the crowd. Some of the North Melbourne supporters in particular said some of the most awful things. Libba didn't care-he *!*!*!*!ing loved it
    Have you been reading those Roddy Doyle books again, Dougal!?


    I have, yeah Ted, you big gobshite

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