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  • Warning given to fans before ejection

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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    This will start a game of whack-a-mole backlash. You watch. 3000 collingwood fans are going to get together and start chanting flog, flog, flog. What are they going to do then? It will become a badge of honour for being kicked out, like it was back in bay 13.
    To the Melbourne silver spooners I would say instead of griping about others, barrack harder and drown the others out. At least that is what I thought AFL footy was about.
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    It is really getting quite ridiculous.

    We go to the footy and display our passion for our team in our case the Bulldogs and you will hear all sorts of stuff and you should not be kicked out for it.
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    Australian media is controlled by right wing conservative types that loves to stoke and provoke using 'left-wing trigger' ( focus on gender rage, LGTBI, Indigenous rage, etc etc ) and 'suburban family trigger' news bait ( African gangs, 'Aussies doing it tough' etc etc). Expect that Theage and other fairfax news will love riding this attack on the freedom of good old Umpire sledging aussies to generate lots of suburban twitter rage to get lots of clicks.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    I reckon that all those sweet little old ladies who sat around the fence at Western Oval, back when I was a kid, might have been lucky to be still there at a quarter time these days. They certainly voiced their support in no uncertain terms.

    And good on them too.
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    but first it will piss you off. ... Gloria Steinem.

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    I wouldnt be surprised if the violence that has become prevalent at games in the last couple of years has a direct correlation to this crack down on yelling (Its not even swearing for *!*!*!*!'s sake!) People being told that they cant vent through the game are going to bottle up their emotions and strike out when it reaches boiling point. The authorities (otherwise known as Gil and his mates) have mucked up big time on this and need to come out, admit they were wrong and fix the problem.

    It's become a counter productive problem of their own making and if they are incapable of making it better then what is the point of them? We may as well save the millions we are paying for the stupid committee that only seems to exist to hand out jobs and roles to Steve Hocking's mates. And Steve Hocking is a dill.
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    Hey I'm all for people getting kicked out for using the word "flog" - just because the use of the word makes my skin crawl!

    But in all seriousness, unless something said is extremely offensive (racist, homophobic, over the top swearing), then it is absolute rubbish to be kicking people out. And who is dobbing in other fans for this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozza View Post
    Hey I'm all for people getting kicked out for using the word "flog" - just because the use of the word makes my skin crawl!

    But in all seriousness, unless something said is extremely offensive (racist, homophobic, over the top swearing), then it is absolute rubbish to be kicking people out. And who is dobbing in other fans for this?

    People that need to try and figure out what they expect when they go to the football?


    They remind me of people who move in next door to venues like the Esplanade or the Tote or the Prince of Wales and then complain about the noise.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names? No, but for abuse that over the top then yes.

    Abusing/lambasting/criticising the umpires is part of sport. The best umpires are the anonymous umpires where they put away the whistle and let the game flow. That's true in every sport....AFL, Soccer, Rugby, Hockey etc - to take that away is to reduce the game to an Opera or Stage Show where the audience is allowed to interact with polite applause.

    Where throwing a fan out (is underage then with their legal guardian) is where that abuse is over the top or out of order. Here we are delving into insultingly homophobic, racist, sexist or rude and offensive to people generally. That's not fun and is not banter.

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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    I mentioned in another thread about hearing two sides to every story. The media all reported a Carlton supporter was thrown out for calling an umpire a flog, and we all believed it.

    Here is the other side of the story:

    AFL says Carlton fan was evicted for 'spooking' umpire by running, screaming, waving his arms
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    Spooked! How traumatic. Waving arms can be pretty threatening. The umpire only has two escorts in orange vests to defend him, better upgrade that to six.

    The fan was removed when standing where he bought his ticket, so am not sure about that claim. Must check the allegiance of the umpire. Might be wearing Collingwood underpants.

    Regards article above, no less than three journalists attributed to this story, despite the fact at least two of them probably didn't do much. Most of it is copied and pasted from previous articles.
    That's one way of looking very well researched I guess. Well played AGE.

    Wow, will they all share the Walkley on that one? Flogs...
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    A couple of years ago I went to a function where the speaker was a current AFL umpire. He said they didn't take notice of the crowd abuse/noise and it was water off a ducks back. Abusing umpires in lesser leagues does need looking at though, especially junior comps.
    My take is this - constant obscenities or fighting gets you booted or banned depending on the severity of those actions. As to loud barracking , cmon AFL and coppers at the game, get real, get a life.
    Are we heading toward the day where the thought police at are at AFL games so if you even think the umpire is a flog you will be arrested. Also do not yell too loudly at the final siren of the GF when your team wins or you will be suddenly surrounded by 6 cops.. Nanny, nanny, nanny......Bay 13 is under threat of becoming crocheting corner.

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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Politically-correct insults suitable for an AFL umpire in 2019

    You can’t call them green maggots and you can’t refer to the fact they are bald. But here are 20 politically correct comments you are permitted to shout at AFL umpires when at the footy.

    If you’re the sort of person to get up and yell at the footy umpire without even a trigger warning, this is for you.

    Here are 20 woke, anti-maggophobic comments you are politically permitted to make at the footy.

    1. If you require the use of a trained canine as visual aide, you have my full support.

    2. Your whistle is presently in no danger of being overused.

    3. I have had respectful, consensual relations with a member of your immediate family.

    4. I believe your talents might best be applied in a different field of work.

    5. Although I do not presume your gender, I observe your follicles are sparse.

    6. It is wonderful to see tolerance of all levels of intellect in umpire hiring policy.

    7. While sleep is important for mental health, you should reconsider doing it during play.

    8. Age is clearly no indication of ability because my grandparent could make a boundary throw like that.

    9. Congratulations on embracing a fluid definition of 15m.

    10. It is human to make mistakes and you are really, really human.

    11. Your outward appearance doesn’t reflect who you are inside. If you are an opposition player on the inside, please let us know.

    12. How brave of you to identify as a goal umpire.

    13. Your success in your chosen field, despite your obvious lack of education, is truly inspirational.

    14. While your patronage of the safe injecting room is encouraged, it is not advisable to visit immediately prior to a match.

    15. It is great to see you shunning outdated body image expectations around weight.

    16. How shameful for the AFL not to provide you with a rule book in Braille.

    17. I trust your decision not to call ‘holding the man’ is a silent protest against the patriarchy.

    18. Proposed laws legalising marijuana will undoubtedly help me understand your decisions.

    19. Thank you for prompting me to challenge my prejudices about what is and isn’t a handball.

    20. As a fan of inclusiveness, I welcome your application of netball rules to this match.

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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by FrediKanoute View Post
    Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names? No, but for abuse that over the top then yes.

    Abusing/lambasting/criticising the umpires is part of sport. The best umpires are the anonymous umpires where they put away the whistle and let the game flow. That's true in every sport....AFL, Soccer, Rugby, Hockey etc - to take that away is to reduce the game to an Opera or Stage Show where the audience is allowed to interact with polite applause.

    Where throwing a fan out (is underage then with their legal guardian) is where that abuse is over the top or out of order. Here we are delving into insultingly homophobic, racist, sexist or rude and offensive to people generally. That's not fun and is not banter.
    Agree with everything except the bit I've bolded.

    In my experience the best referees/umpires in sport are far from 'anonymous'. Quite the opposite. They're as well known as they are explicitly because they are the best at what they do.

    I'm thinking Ed Hochuli, Gene Steratore and Bill Vinovich in the NFL. Joe West and Jim Joyce in MLB. Ken Mauer in the NBA. Nigel Owens in Rugby Union. Gerard Sutton in the NRL, Bill Harrigan before he retired. They're all as well known as they are because they're good at what they do.

    If anything the AFL is one of the few sports where umpires, by design, don't have a massive profile outside of the game. The only reason Ray Chamberlain is as highlighted as he is, can be traced back to his nickname, which Brian Taylor and the Triple M team gave him. Nigel Owens did some hilarious ads in the leadup to World Cup.

    For what its worth, the crackdown is getting silly, but security and the Police have their actions driven by the league, and with some things they're given very little discretion to work with. If the league decide they want someone out, Police and Security have to suck it up and roll with it.

    Anyone directing their anger toward security and police needs to work their way up the chain.

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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    People should say what they want but swearing when kids are around is a no go (obviously).

    I don't understand why people scream at the umpires to be honest. I'm pretty much support your team and outside of that just shut up...unless an opposition fan (or three) want to engage in some banter in which case go for it.
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    Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?

    Quote Originally Posted by mjp View Post
    People should say what they want but swearing when kids are around is a no go (obviously).

    I don't understand why people scream at the umpires to be honest. I'm pretty much support your team and outside of that just shut up...unless an opposition fan (or three) want to engage in some banter in which case go for it.
    To me this is the correct blueprint for going to the footy. Support the team and enjoy yourself while being respectful of others.
    A bit of good natured banter goes OK as well
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