WB Game Day V Collingwood R14 2019

[GVGjr]

I don't want that dickhead anywhere near our football club. Agree we need help, but please anyone but him.

I get its a role of the dice but he was a classy kick both on the run and with set shots. You might be right though

[GVGjr]

I can tell you now, it was not a coaching issue today, but people are quick to turn on to the coach. I have said it before, we lack some key players that would make the difference.

Collingwood who are a grandfinalist from last year and sitting nicely in second spot, should have lost today, but we wasted our opportunities.

Im not having a crack at Bevo in the slightest just looking for ways to support him. A top line 2IC would be a good starting point

[Sedat]

I can tell you now, it was not a coaching issue today, but people are quick to turn on to the coach. I have said it before, we lack some key players that would make the difference.

We lose virtually the same way every time (and often). I would argue there is a strong enough body of evidence to suggest that this is EXACTLY a coaching/game plan issue,.

Over-possession, poor conversion, poor delivery into F50 - it happenes every single loss and has done for 3 years. How can it not fall on the coach and footy dept?

[G-Mo77]

Does anyone know what Daniel's disposal efficiency was, it looked like half of his possessions went to opposition players. Sometimes those TOs stand out more though.

[bornadog]

Im not having a crack at Bevo in the slightest just looking for ways to support him. A top line 2IC would be a good starting point

Yeah I know you are not. I agree we should be turning over assistants more regularly. You only have to look at the Hawks, even when they won premierships, they turned over a few. But today, and this season, it is not about coaches, it;s having the right players.

We as supporters over rate our players because they play for us.

[bornadog]

Does anyone know what Daniel's disposal efficiency was, it looked like half of his possessions went to opposition players. Sometimes those TOs stand out more though.

65.7%, which is a little unusual for him.

[Axe Man]

Does anyone know what Daniel's disposal efficiency was, it looked like half of his possessions went to opposition players. Sometimes those TOs stand out more though.

66%, down on his usual high standard but his good still easily outweighed his bad today.

[Hotdog60]

Daniel had 3 clangers by the stats with a disposal efficacy at 65.7%

[GVGjr]

Yeah I know you are not. I agree we should be turning over assistants more regularly. You only have to look at the Hawks, even when they won premierships, they turned over a few. But today, and this season, it is not about coaches, it;s having the right players.

We as supporters over rate our players because they play for us.

I'm not sure BAD, despite the fact I dont think we have been active enough with our list mangement I think we have a list capable of performing better than we have. Finding the right balance with our player development is hitting the critical stage

[bornadog]

Over-possession, poor conversion, poor delivery into F50 - it happenes every single loss and has done for 3 years. How can it not fall on the coach and footy dept?

That just tells me you haven't been to the footy for a long time, and don't look at that stats at all. We are top two for marks inside 50. Our issue is poor kicking for goal, and defence. We leak too many goals.

[Mantis]

Yeah I know you are not. I agree we should be turning over assistants more regularly. You only have to look at the Hawks, even when they won premierships, they turned over a few. But today, and this season, it is not about coaches, it;s having the right players.

We as supporters over rate our players because they play for us.

Which players in today’s team do we over-rate?

[Hotdog60]

Well I have to say I'm as frustrated and disappointed as the rest off us but in all the gloom we must be doing something right to have more scoring shots than them.
If we finished off the easy set shots it may have been a different story and we would be a happy lot heaping praise.
I wonder if Bevo is having trouble coping with the runner reduction as he spends more time on the bench than when runners had more time on ground.
In the end its 15 playing 2 and our skills are the difference not the endeavour.

[bornadog]

I'm not sure BAD, despite the fact I dont think we have been active enough with our list mangement I think we have a list capable of performing better than we have. Finding the right balance with our player development is hitting the critical stage

It is ok when you don't have injuries, but you need players to come in and cover and we just don't have those players.

Ruck, and a key back are a problem, this very moment. I have no doubt English will be good in the future. I would rather see Trengove helping in the ruck, but who do you put into Fullback? Roberts has been tried, Lew Young has been told to do certain things and doesn't seem to be ready. Does Naughton go back? Our Key big guys are all still very young and not mature.

[merantau]

Goal kicking has been THE big issue since 2016. Fix that and our ladder position improves markedly. But it is not our only issue. We are just doing too many dumb things. Suckling flaffing around and then having to rush his shot for goal was inexcusable. Cordy expecting de Goey to shoot for goal and allowing Read to get 10 metres goal side of him - likewise.
We are reluctant to shoot for goal, we butcher set shots, and very getable snaps, and we bleed goals on turnovers.
We had a great opportunity to win this game and let it slip. I imagine it must be very demoralising for the players.
Right now we need some strong personalities to take a stand or else the next two weeks could be very ugly.

[bornadog]

Which players in today’s team do we over-rate?

I am talking in general, but from today, I think Bailey Williams is over rated.