Our game plan / style / tactics are solid

[Danjul]

From following a link on the AFL website.

Riley Beveridge

Apr 12, 2019 10:56PM


Are the Dogs' struggles in the ruck too much to overcome?

Grundy had 17 hitouts to advantage throughout the evening. English didn't have one. With such dominance going one way, the Dogs were forced to improvise.
Marcus Bontempelli, Jack Macrae and Lachie Hunter were again prolific. Together with the remaining Western Bulldogs midfielders, they came up with 10 sharks from Grundy's work in the air. However, they were eventually overrun and overwhelmed.



Short Answer: Yes.

[Danjul]

From ruck work or stoppages?

Why do we assume that Trengove would have had a good day at the office anyway?

we only need to have it ..... less bad.

[jeemak]

I'm not following.

[Twodogs]

From following a link on the AFL website.

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[FONT="]Apr 12, 2019 10:56PM
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Are the Dogs' struggles in the ruck too much to overcome?

[FONT="]Grundy had 17 hitouts to advantage throughout the evening. English didn't have one. With such dominance going one way, the Dogs were forced to improvise.[/FONT]
Marcus Bontempelli, Jack Macrae and Lachie Hunter were again prolific. Together with the remaining Western Bulldogs midfielders, they came up with 10 sharks from Grundy's work in the air. However, they were eventually overrun and overwhelmed.



Short Answer: Yes.

Is Riley Beveridge any relation to the boss?

[Danjul]

I'm not following.

Sorry.

We don’t have to win the ruck work. English can spend time there, but when the opposition is getting hitouts to advantage dominance there must be a plan to limit the damage.

A hitout to advantage puts the ball in the hands of a player running in the clear. They gain metres, have time to choose a target and kick without being under pressure. It often leads to scoring.

Grundy and Goldstein did it regularly against us this season. In the article below, plus 17 hitouts to advantage can turn the game. We lost that one by 2 goals.

The Dogs are very good at getting the clearance but they are well down the list for keeping control of the ball from the stoppage.

[mjp]

You are underestimating the value of ruck work.

On Sunday Collingwood scored 7 goals from it and the Dogs got 1.

A six goal differential when the final result was less than 2.

Their ruck dominance completely negated what should have been the Bulldog’s match winning control in general play.

The club has shown absolute contempt for this critical aspect of the game throughout the last few years and it has correlated strongly with its decline. I don’t expect that to change, it is in their DNA now. You can see it repeatedly. And I suspect that it has thrown a number of players off their game.

Clearances are a meaningless statistic from the viewpoint of winning. The Dogs have won this measure in most of their losses. But they are under enormous pressure and often unable to control where the ball goes.

Clearances are meaningless but hitouts are critical?

Can you not seem the complete madness in comments like this?

[Danjul]

Clearances are meaningless but hitouts are critical?

Can you not seem the complete madness in comments like this?

The clearance figure indicates getting the ball away from the stoppage area. Who it goes to is irrelevant. It can go to nobody.

When it goes to a contest the Dogs are about 15th for winning that contest and keeping control of the ball...

...Because Delivery from winning a lost hitout is often quite poor.

(The top three teams on the ladder are the top three for keeping control.)

Dominant ruckmen give many hitouts to advantage which are gold when it comes to both keeping control and scoring sequences.

And we have constantly been on the wrong end of that statistic.



No madness in any of that.

[Topdog]

Smashed in the hit outs again but won the clearances and the game easily

[Danjul]

Smashed in the hit outs again but won the clearances and the game easily

Are you suggesting that +7 clearances won that game. That’s not how I saw it.

I would suggest that consistently being smashed in the hitouts is the reason we are not 6 places higher on the ladder and looking at finals.

[bornadog]

Are you suggesting that +7 clearances won that game. That’s not how I saw it.

I would suggest that consistently being smashed in the hitouts is the reason we are not 6 places higher on the ladder and looking at finals.

Only if you win the clearances. Hitouts to advantage is the real ruck stat that needs to be looked at.

[GVGjr]

Only if you win the clearances. Hitouts to advantage is the real ruck stat that needs to be looked at.

There is some merit in that. Hit outs to advantage are a plus for the midfield as they can work with the ruck mans strengths and hit out patterns rather than trying to predict where the opposition ruckman will be placing the ball

[Danjul]

Only if you win the clearances. Hitouts to advantage is the real ruck stat that needs to be looked at.

We are not getting them and we are not stopping them.

Time for some new thinking - swap Sweet for Richards (had a shocker on Saturday).

[Danjul]

There is some merit in that. Hit outs to advantage are a plus for the midfield as they can work with the ruck mans strengths and hit out patterns rather than trying to predict where the opposition ruckman will be placing the ball

Perfectly stated.

Our midfield would dominate games, giving better delivery to the forwards and drying up opportunities for the opposition.

Which extra games would they have won with 10 more?

[Mantis]

We are not getting them and we are not stopping them.

Time for some new thinking - swap Sweet for Richards (had a shocker on Saturday).

Where does English play? And if you’re thinking forward can we fit all of Naughton, Schache and English in the same forwardlibe?

[bornadog]

Perfectly stated.

Our midfield would dominate games, giving better delivery to the forwards and drying up opportunities for the opposition.

Which extra games would they have won with 10 more?

Our mids are dominating games, we are delivering into the forward line as the marks inside 50 indicates (top 3).

Our problem has been defending.