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15-07-2019, 07:35 PM
#226
Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019
Originally Posted by
Danjul
Not sure of the timing, but the Swans still took Barry Round.
The only half decent ruckman that I can find Skilton playing with was Ken Boyd and they only played together for 5 years. Apart from that I cant see any ruckman I have even heard of.
They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.
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15-07-2019, 07:35 PM
#227
Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Gawn 34 hitouts, Preuss 17, total 51. 20 to advantage, means we got the rest of the balls ie 31
- that is why we won.
AFL website: clearances
Melbourne 51 with 20 to advantage. Bulldogs 29 with 3 to advantage.
17 possessions to advantage is the equivalent of the disposals by the two Smiths.
Yes, but the Smiths got 3 goals.
Well Melbourne probably got 3 extra goals from stoppages. (guessing 7 compared to 4).
My point is simply ruck is important, and I hope that is incorporated into future decisions.
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15-07-2019, 07:36 PM
#228
Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019
Originally Posted by
Go_Dogs
Give it 2 years and we'll iron that out
2 years? I think we would pride ourselves on destroying his goalkicking reliability over the next preseason.
They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.
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15-07-2019, 07:44 PM
#229
Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019
Coaches Votes:
WESTERN BULLDOGS v MELBOURNE
10 Josh Dunkley (WB)
7 Lachie Hunter (WB)
7 Taylor Duryea (WB)
3 Jack Macrae (WB)
2 Steven May (MELB)
1 Jack Viney (MELB)
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15-07-2019, 07:45 PM
#230
Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019
Coaches Votes Leaderboard:
LEADERBOARD
78 Tim Kelly
70 Marcus Bontempelli
68 Patrick Cripps
68 Lachie Neale
65 Ben Cunnington
65 Nat Fyfe
62 Luke Shuey
60 Patrick Dangerfield
60 Brodie Grundy
58 Travis Boak
53 Max Gawn
50 Brad Crouch
48 Dayne Zorko
47 Josh Dunkley
46 Scott Pendlebury
45 Stephen Coniglio
45 Elliot Yeo
44 Tim Taranto
42 Gary Ablett
42 Luke Parker
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15-07-2019, 08:13 PM
#231
Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
Sweet is a mile off being a senior player in my opinion. He's also not the quality tap ruckman many think he is.
He needs another season or so before he might force his way into calculations
Gawn would have run him ragged by half time, Tim actually started putting work into Gawn at times with his mobility
At the moment Sweet doesn't quite have the feel for the game offering little value around the ground but the scope for improvement is there
Was English ready to be the first ruck, based on his VFL form last year?
I think I saw you say no somewhere but I could be wrong (again).
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15-07-2019, 08:15 PM
#232
Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019
Originally Posted by
Danjul
In my opinion (which counts for nothing) we should have won the games against ...
....Gold Coast, Fremantle, North And Collingwood (the second time - the Pies had 100 less possessions, 6 of our players had 30 possessions - so running with the ball isn’t the answer ).
What was a significant common problem in those games? The opponents hitouts to advantage.
That still allows Carlton their first win for the season.
What was done as an attempt to limit this ruck damage? Have another runner who gets less than 10 possessions.
It is not a matter of possibly playing finals. Finals should be a given with this group.
I thought our kicking for goal in those games killed us as well.......
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15-07-2019, 08:31 PM
#233
Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019
Originally Posted by
FrediKanoute
I thought our kicking for goal in those games killed us as well.......
Yes, and there were clear passages and extended periods of time in all of those games where we just didn't set the ground up properly and were much too easy to transition and score against.
We've had a mix of issues that have impacted our chances of winning this year, of which hit-outs to advantage or any other in isolation is just one. It's when we play out a game with multiple issues being exposed at different times that we really struggle, but when we only let one or so get exposed for brief periods within games we seem to have the game plan and personnel to provide cover and be highly competitive.
Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.
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15-07-2019, 08:52 PM
#234
Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019
Originally Posted by
Danjul
Was English ready to be the first ruck, based on his VFL form last year?
I think I saw you say no somewhere but I could be wrong (again).
English has attributes that keep him in the game longer than Sweet. Even last year English still had more strings to his bow than Sweet does right now.
Right now, Sweet would be a complete liability at all facets of the game, bar possibly the actual ruck contest.
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15-07-2019, 09:03 PM
#235
Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019
Who was the special comments on the channel 7 coverage?
More of an In Bruges guy?
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15-07-2019, 09:04 PM
#236
Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019
Originally Posted by
azabob
Who was the special comments on the channel 7 coverage?
Joel Selwood
Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023
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15-07-2019, 09:06 PM
#237
Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
Joel Selwood
Really? Thanks. I couldn’t pick the voice
More of an In Bruges guy?
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15-07-2019, 09:09 PM
#238
Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019
Originally Posted by
Danjul
Sorry, I didn’t see it this way.
1. Melbourne’s rucks kept them in the game. They would have lost by 5 goals otherwise.
2. Ruck is very important and there are disadvantages in not treating it seriously.
we risk Naughton by playing him in the ruck. High injury rate for part time ruckmen.
And we waste Schache by playing him in the ruck. Has contributed nothing this year and it depletes the forward line where he is important.
And we rob the backline by playing Trengove in the ruck.
And we will not be so lucky again when playing Dunkley in the ruck.
3. Gawn’s 14 kicks were more valuable than English’s 6. I would love to see English kick 50 metres as a first option instead of handball. Then he might have been as valuable.
Despite this ruck fiasco the Dogs did win as expected. That is because Dunkley’s 2 goals were better than his brother’s 1. And the rest of the team played well.
From Marc MacGowan - AFL website
8. Hitouts need to be ditched as a mainstream statistic
Melbourne's dual All Australian ruckman Max Gawn dined out on the Western Bulldogs for the umpteenth time on Sunday, but it was the Dogs who won the day. It's a familiar problem for Luke Beveridge and his team, with promising big man Tim English still some way from being a force in the centre. English consistently loses the hitouts by a big margin – just ask Brodie Grundy – but the Bulldogs have found a way to defy that disadvantage. Beveridge calls it being "reactively proactive", with his midfielders conditioned to having to shark the opposition's taps. The Demons won the clearances, but certainly didn't fully capitalise on the armchair ride Gawn gave them. In fact, only 12 of the 208cm ruckman's 34 hitouts were to advantage, whereas he famously had seven to advantage in one quarter against the Dogs last year. That's where hitout numbers can be deceiving, and everyone would be better off including only those to advantage. - Marc McGowan
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15-07-2019, 09:41 PM
#239
Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019
Staggered by the lack of scrutiny Melbourne haven’t got this year .
The fall has been dramatic , and the whole post season surgeries is this biggest cop out of all time .
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15-07-2019, 09:55 PM
#240
Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019
Originally Posted by
Eastdog
Doesn’t make sense if we lose that you would come out smiling.
Because they simply loved playing.
[B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]