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    Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Danjul View Post
    Not sure of the timing, but the Swans still took Barry Round.
    The only half decent ruckman that I can find Skilton playing with was Ken Boyd and they only played together for 5 years. Apart from that I cant see any ruckman I have even heard of.
    Have you been reading those Roddy Doyle books again, Dougal!?


    I have, yeah Ted, you big gobshite

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    Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Gawn 34 hitouts, Preuss 17, total 51. 20 to advantage, means we got the rest of the balls ie 31 - that is why we won.
    AFL website: clearances

    Melbourne 51 with 20 to advantage. Bulldogs 29 with 3 to advantage.

    17 possessions to advantage is the equivalent of the disposals by the two Smiths.

    Yes, but the Smiths got 3 goals.

    Well Melbourne probably got 3 extra goals from stoppages. (guessing 7 compared to 4).

    My point is simply ruck is important, and I hope that is incorporated into future decisions.

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    Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Go_Dogs View Post
    Give it 2 years and we'll iron that out
    2 years? I think we would pride ourselves on destroying his goalkicking reliability over the next preseason.
    Have you been reading those Roddy Doyle books again, Dougal!?


    I have, yeah Ted, you big gobshite

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    Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019

    Coaches Votes:

    WESTERN BULLDOGS v MELBOURNE
    10 Josh Dunkley (WB)
    7 Lachie Hunter (WB)
    7 Taylor Duryea (WB)
    3 Jack Macrae (WB)
    2 Steven May (MELB)
    1 Jack Viney (MELB)

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    Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019

    Coaches Votes Leaderboard:

    LEADERBOARD
    78 Tim Kelly
    70 Marcus Bontempelli
    68 Patrick Cripps
    68 Lachie Neale
    65 Ben Cunnington
    65 Nat Fyfe
    62 Luke Shuey
    60 Patrick Dangerfield
    60 Brodie Grundy
    58 Travis Boak
    53 Max Gawn
    50 Brad Crouch
    48 Dayne Zorko
    47 Josh Dunkley
    46 Scott Pendlebury
    45 Stephen Coniglio
    45 Elliot Yeo
    44 Tim Taranto
    42 Gary Ablett
    42 Luke Parker

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    Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    Sweet is a mile off being a senior player in my opinion. He's also not the quality tap ruckman many think he is.
    He needs another season or so before he might force his way into calculations

    Gawn would have run him ragged by half time, Tim actually started putting work into Gawn at times with his mobility

    At the moment Sweet doesn't quite have the feel for the game offering little value around the ground but the scope for improvement is there
    Was English ready to be the first ruck, based on his VFL form last year?

    I think I saw you say no somewhere but I could be wrong (again).

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    Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Danjul View Post
    In my opinion (which counts for nothing) we should have won the games against ...

    ....Gold Coast, Fremantle, North And Collingwood (the second time - the Pies had 100 less possessions, 6 of our players had 30 possessions - so running with the ball isn’t the answer ).

    What was a significant common problem in those games? The opponents hitouts to advantage.

    That still allows Carlton their first win for the season.

    What was done as an attempt to limit this ruck damage? Have another runner who gets less than 10 possessions.

    It is not a matter of possibly playing finals. Finals should be a given with this group.
    I thought our kicking for goal in those games killed us as well.......

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    Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by FrediKanoute View Post
    I thought our kicking for goal in those games killed us as well.......
    Yes, and there were clear passages and extended periods of time in all of those games where we just didn't set the ground up properly and were much too easy to transition and score against.

    We've had a mix of issues that have impacted our chances of winning this year, of which hit-outs to advantage or any other in isolation is just one. It's when we play out a game with multiple issues being exposed at different times that we really struggle, but when we only let one or so get exposed for brief periods within games we seem to have the game plan and personnel to provide cover and be highly competitive.
    Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.

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    Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Danjul View Post
    Was English ready to be the first ruck, based on his VFL form last year?

    I think I saw you say no somewhere but I could be wrong (again).
    English has attributes that keep him in the game longer than Sweet. Even last year English still had more strings to his bow than Sweet does right now.
    Right now, Sweet would be a complete liability at all facets of the game, bar possibly the actual ruck contest.

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    Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019

    Who was the special comments on the channel 7 coverage?
    More of an In Bruges guy?

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    Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by azabob View Post
    Who was the special comments on the channel 7 coverage?
    Joel Selwood
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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    Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogtragic View Post
    Joel Selwood
    Really? Thanks. I couldn’t pick the voice
    More of an In Bruges guy?

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    Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Danjul View Post
    Sorry, I didn’t see it this way.

    1. Melbourne’s rucks kept them in the game. They would have lost by 5 goals otherwise.

    2. Ruck is very important and there are disadvantages in not treating it seriously.

    we risk Naughton by playing him in the ruck. High injury rate for part time ruckmen.
    And we waste Schache by playing him in the ruck. Has contributed nothing this year and it depletes the forward line where he is important.
    And we rob the backline by playing Trengove in the ruck.
    And we will not be so lucky again when playing Dunkley in the ruck.

    3. Gawn’s 14 kicks were more valuable than English’s 6. I would love to see English kick 50 metres as a first option instead of handball. Then he might have been as valuable.

    Despite this ruck fiasco the Dogs did win as expected. That is because Dunkley’s 2 goals were better than his brother’s 1. And the rest of the team played well.
    From Marc MacGowan - AFL website
    8. Hitouts need to be ditched as a mainstream statistic

    Melbourne's dual All Australian ruckman Max Gawn dined out on the Western Bulldogs for the umpteenth time on Sunday, but it was the Dogs who won the day. It's a familiar problem for Luke Beveridge and his team, with promising big man Tim English still some way from being a force in the centre. English consistently loses the hitouts by a big margin – just ask Brodie Grundy – but the Bulldogs have found a way to defy that disadvantage. Beveridge calls it being "reactively proactive", with his midfielders conditioned to having to shark the opposition's taps. The Demons won the clearances, but certainly didn't fully capitalise on the armchair ride Gawn gave them. In fact, only 12 of the 208cm ruckman's 34 hitouts were to advantage, whereas he famously had seven to advantage in one quarter against the Dogs last year. That's where hitout numbers can be deceiving, and everyone would be better off including only those to advantage. - Marc McGowan

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    Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019

    Staggered by the lack of scrutiny Melbourne haven’t got this year .
    The fall has been dramatic , and the whole post season surgeries is this biggest cop out of all time .

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    Re: WB FightBack30 V Melbourne R17 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Eastdog View Post
    Doesn’t make sense if we lose that you would come out smiling.
    Because they simply loved playing.
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