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    Re: 2020: Round 1 Team

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    It don't think we quite have the midfield depth to lose a player like McLean without getting something very decent in return
    We have just about the deepest midfield going around, and seem to uncover at least one a year with ease so depth wise we have him covered.

    Our midfield depth chart reads roughly:
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    Lloyd is also able to play there, West is expecting to be rotated through and Williams has been unable to find a spot there yet despite training a whole pre-season in that area.

    I completely agree we won't get sufficient compensation back for him unless it's a player for player type deal, but hos output this year was marginally better than what West showed he can contribute so it isn't like he is a huge loss, and we aren't expecting any of the 6 guys (arguably 9 seeing as Wallis, Hayes and Liberatore all saw more gametime there than Toby) ahead of him to drop off any time soon.
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    Re: 2020: Round 1 Team

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    It don't think we quite have the midfield depth to lose a player like McLean without getting something very decent in return
    He didn't quite finish the season off as we would have liked but are we reacting a bit quickly?

    He averaged 15.6 possessions a game which is well down on the previous 2 years and was probably pushed back in the midfield rotations with Dunkley's emergence as a midfield beast and Bailey Smith's outstanding debut season. The imminent return of Liberatore is another hurdle for him.

    If we are just getting a 2nd rounder in return is that sufficient compensation? I doubt we could get much more than that
    But McLean wasnít used in the midfield rotations and when he did he wasnít all that effective... I donít think he won a clearance in the last 3 months of the season which is a huge regress in what he showed in the first half of 2018 when he was one of our few improvers.

    I like Toby, but he is stuck in no mans land with us so he either works his ass off to be given more opportunities to play in the midfield or on a wing or he sees what else is out there for him.

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    Nice one Saints. Tell a bloke he won’t be offered a contract beyond next year then play hardball at the trade table because he is a required player next year. Would make you feel wanted to know they only want you to fill a gap next year then we are done with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S Coast Simon View Post
    Nice one Saints. Tell a bloke he won’t be offered a contract beyond next year then play hardball at the trade table because he is a required player next year. Would make you feel wanted to know they only want you to fill a gap next year then we are done with you.
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    Re: 2020: Round 1 Team

    Iíd love to see Mclean groomed as a permanent small forward. He is great overhead, knows where the goals are, skilled with the ball, and can weave in pressure - he played all his junior footy as a forward - to me it seems a no brainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshMac View Post
    I’d love to see Mclean groomed as a permanent small forward. He is great overhead, knows where the goals are, skilled with the ball, and can weave in pressure - he played all his junior footy as a forward - to me it seems a no brainer.
    That is what he was doing this year.

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    Re: 2020: Round 1 Team

    Quote Originally Posted by AshMac View Post
    I’d love to see Mclean groomed as a permanent small forward. He is great overhead, knows where the goals are, skilled with the ball, and can weave in pressure - he played all his junior footy as a forward - to me it seems a no brainer.
    Agreed. It didn't work this season for one reason or another but my opinion is he played too high.
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    Re: 2020: Round 1 Team

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    That is what he was doing this year.
    He didnít play the whole season as a small forward. He was moved up the ground a fair bit, given a couple of weeks running through the middle and to be honest spent the rest of the games he played in no mans land. Iím talking a genuine crumbing forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshMac View Post
    He didn’t play the whole season as a small forward. He was moved up the ground a fair bit, given a couple of weeks running through the middle and to be honest spent the rest of the games he played in no mans land. I’m talking a genuine crumbing forward.
    Agreed and that was what I was getting at. Play him deep. He's smart, a great mark, kicks well and can apply heavy pressure. He needs to become a Picken-type player to survive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1eyedog View Post
    Agreed and that was what I was getting at. Play him deep. He's smart, a great mark, kicks well and can apply heavy pressure. He needs to become a Picken-type player to survive.
    Doesn’t Bailey Dale play deep? I know players interchange positions readily, but I see Dale as being more effective and with greater scope in that area.

    And I’m not sure McLean applies heavy pressure. He is ok in this area, but it isn’t a strength of his game.

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    Re: 2020: Round 1 Team

    Does McLean have the tank to take a wing with the constant running?

    His skill set would be well suited if his endurance is there.
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    Re: 2020: Round 1 Team

    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog Joe View Post
    Does McLean have the tank to take a wing with the constant running?

    His skill set would be well suited if his endurance is there.
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    Re: 2020: Round 1 Team

    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog Joe View Post
    Does McLean have the tank to take a wing with the constant running?

    His skill set would be well suited if his endurance is there.
    Good question but I don't know the answer to it. Just doesn't quite strike me as the winger type like Hunter
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    Re: 2020: Round 1 Team

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    Good question but I don't know the answer to it. Just doesn't quite strike me as the winger type like Hunter
    Yeah I think to play the modern day wing role, kinda back into vogue, you need either:
    - explosive speed + good enough tank OR
    - elite tank allowing you to go at a decent speed for a long time/cover a tonne of ground (Hunter)

    I think McLean's skill set is more suited to more inside type situations. I see him ultimately as a B grade inside mid when we have a trio of A/A+s taking up so much of the time. Libba is ahead of him too when fit and I think Lipsinki is or will be ahead of him too. Then there's Bailey Smith...

    McLean really has to add value forward and make the best of his opportunities in his stints in the engine room.
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    Re: 2020: Round 1 Team

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco Jones View Post
    Yeah I think to play the modern day wing role, kinda back into vogue, you need either:
    - explosive speed + good enough tank OR
    - elite tank allowing you to go at a decent speed for a long time/cover a tonne of ground (Hunter)

    I think McLean's skill set is more suited to more inside type situations. I see him ultimately as a B grade inside mid when we have a trio of A/A+s taking up so much of the time. Libba is ahead of him too when fit and I think Lipsinki is or will be ahead of him too. Then there's Bailey Smith...

    McLean really has to add value forward and make the best of his opportunities in his stints in the engine room.
    I might be on my own, but I think McLean is a player who can work on the inside but also outside. He is good in the air and has an ability to get clear and use the ball well.

    The only thing I would be concerned with is how much repeat effort he can provide. I see him well suited to a wing position if he can produce the necessary repeat running effort.
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