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    Re: No-one should let Martin get to the Blues.

    There is a caveat to the Jack Martin situation. He will become a free agent next year. It means that if the Suns still have him and he leaves, they will get compo. Free agency compo is the most on the fly rule/protocol/whatever in world sport but that's largely another convo, thing is the Suns will get a decent return here, better than Carlton offered. They could in effect buy say pick 20 for $600k.

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    Re: No-one should let Martin get to the Blues.

    Am I right in assuming that given the PSD isn't until November 28th does this mean Martin can't train with any club including Carlton prior to that draft?
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    Re: No-one should let Martin get to the Blues.

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    Am I right in assuming that given the PSD isn't until November 28th does this mean Martin can't train with any club including Carlton prior to that draft?
    Correct, unless he gets special permission from the AFL to train with Carlton.
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    Re: No-one should let Martin get to the Blues.

    Quote Originally Posted by Twodogs View Post
    Correct, unless he gets special permission from the AFL to train with Carlton.
    Yep. It's intention to select and if someone wants him before Blues pick, that's cooked.

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    Re: No-one should let Martin get to the Blues.

    Excellent OP from mjp by the way. The real issue imo is that AFL trade culture involves a player only being willing to go to one club. There is no bidding war in terms of trade value (bidding war is done before so with personal terms for the player). It means trade value has too large an ethical element on club's parts imo. Especially difficult when the situation isn't very amicable, as often the case of course.

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    Re: No-one should let Martin get to the Blues.

    Is it time to follow the NBA and allow clubs to trade players where ever they want?

    Time to take the power back.
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    Re: No-one should let Martin get to the Blues.

    Quote Originally Posted by chef View Post
    Is it time to follow the NBA and allow clubs to trade players where ever they want?

    Time to take the power back.
    Yes, yes it is. The power balance is completely out of whack.
    Trouble is, it will be hard to get the AFLPA to agree to it. Any agreement to change would probably require the AFL to further lessen FA qualification period.

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    Re: No-one should let Martin get to the Blues.

    Quote Originally Posted by chef View Post
    Is it time to follow the NBA and allow clubs to trade players where ever they want?

    Time to take the power back.
    Yes, and I particularly think it should happen in the stances of beams and Kelly. Beams wanted back to Melbourne...fair enough, but he shouldn’t be able to say Collingwood. If he’s that desperate to get back to melb then it’s whoever has the best deal for Brisbane.

    Kelly wanted back to Perth, so let WC and Freo sort out the best deal with Geelong.
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    Re: No-one should let Martin get to the Blues.

    Quote Originally Posted by chef View Post
    Is it time to follow the NBA and allow clubs to trade players where ever they want?

    Time to take the power back.
    In the NBA you have terms put into the contract, which I like. I think going totally towards that isn't great (not really built into our system anyway with trade periods) but can definitely take things out of it.

    The most obvious one is a no trade clause, meaning a club has to consult player on where he is traded. That means a player loses a bit of leverage in terms of payment but has more control over future.

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    Re: No-one should let Martin get to the Blues.

    Would seem very wrong for Martin to walk straight to Carlton in these circumstances. Effectively it’s like bypassing restricted free-agency with the impacted club (GCS) unable to receive any compensation for the loss. Unless GCS do have their mind set on picking up a player with their first pick in the PSD, I would like to see them select Jack, rather than seeing Silvagni win by screwing everyone over.

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    Re: No-one should let Martin get to the Blues.

    Had the Suns been unreasonable or even vindictive about trading Martin then they deserve what they get but Carlton has clearly used this as a way of getting him on the cheap. He will probably get there but it isn't right.

    If the PSD was pushed back to the middle of December or even just prior to the Xmas break then it's a long wait for clubs to get the player to their club and I think it would most likely make them more willing to deal with the other club. It doesn't sound like much but I suspect that extra few weeks in the wilderness without access to the club or their Doctors etc could be telling

    Really the player should not be able to bypass the National Draft
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    Re: No-one should let Martin get to the Blues.

    How about we get Melbourne's pick 8 for our 13 and 53 and take Martin before the Blues.
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    Re: No-one should let Martin get to the Blues.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hotdog60 View Post
    How about we get Melbourne's pick 8 for our 13 and 53 and take Martin before the Blues.
    The Blues have pick 3 in the PSD, that's where they will get him
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    Re: No-one should let Martin get to the Blues.

    Quote Originally Posted by Twodogs View Post
    Correct, unless he gets special permission from the AFL to train with Carlton.
    Which you would think GC would strenuously object to.

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    Re: No-one should let Martin get to the Blues.

    Quote Originally Posted by westdog54 View Post
    Which you would think GC would strenuously inject to.
    That's Essendon WD.
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