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    Always Right Match Committee thread Rd 2 vs Carlton

    Welcome to the Always Right Match Committee Thread. The Match Committee threads has been named after long time WOOF member Always Right who tragically passed away in March 2018.


    So if you were on the Western Bulldogs match committee what changes would you make after our Round 1 match against Collingwood to take on Carlton in Round 2?

    For those new to these match committee threads, please give a brief explanation for your changes ... this would add a lot of value to the discussion.
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    Re: Always Right Match Committee thread Rd 2 vs Carlton

    In: Schache (tall), Lipinski (mid/fwd), Richards (wing/HFF)
    Out: Gardner (tall), Wallis (fwd/mid), Lloyd (HFF)

    Consider Weightman to bring in some enthusiasm.

    Young to Defence. Bruce/Schache second ruck. Anyone else to take kick ins.


    B: Suckling Cordy Wood
    HB: JJ Keath Crozier
    C: Smith Bont Hunter
    HF: Schache Naughton Richards
    F: Cavarra Bruce Dale
    R: English, Dunkley, Macrae
    I: Daniel, Lipinski, Williams, Young/Weightman

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    Re: Always Right Match Committee thread Rd 2 vs Carlton

    Gardner can’t ever play again
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    Re: Always Right Match Committee thread Rd 2 vs Carlton

    My team -

    B- Crozier, Trengove, Wood
    HB - Williams, Keath, JJ
    C - Richards, Dunkley, Hunter
    HF - Smith, Naughton, Lipinski
    F - Cavarra, Bruce, Schache
    R - English, Bontempelli, Macrae

    Int - Daniel, McLean, Lloyd, Young

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    Re: Always Right Match Committee thread Rd 2 vs Carlton

    2nd chances to Naughton (in too early), Cavarra, Bruce, Lloyd, Wallis.

    Out Dale (1 kick, 5 handballs, unacceptable), Gardner ( amateur level clangers)
    In Sweet or Trengove, Lipinski or Richards

    Cordy out of FB to the interchange bench or wherever. Young to FB. Young, Williams or Suckling to do the kick ins.

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    Re: Always Right Match Committee thread Rd 2 vs Carlton

    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis View Post
    My team -

    B- Crozier, Trengove, Wood
    HB - Williams, Keath, JJ
    C - Richards, Dunkley, Hunter
    HF - Smith, Naughton, Lipinski
    F - Cavarra, Bruce, Schache
    R - English, Bontempelli, Macrae

    Int - Daniel, McLean, Lloyd, Young

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    Naughton gets one more week forward, if our backline crumbles again, he’s going back.

    I’d probably turf Lloyd and replace with Weightman, just for that putrid short step he took.
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    Re: Always Right Match Committee thread Rd 2 vs Carlton

    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis View Post
    My team -

    B- Crozier, Trengove, Wood
    HB - Williams, Keath, JJ
    C - Richards, Dunkley, Hunter
    HF - Smith, Naughton, Lipinski
    F - Cavarra, Bruce, Schache
    R - English, Bontempelli, Macrae

    Int - Daniel, McLean, Lloyd, Young

    Go your hardest!
    I assume this is a message to the club?

    Balance looks good. Are we still a tad too tall with Young on the bench?
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    Re: Always Right Match Committee thread Rd 2 vs Carlton

    Carlton has lost Kreuzer and they won't have Curnow if we drop this one questions need to be asked regarding the teams head space.
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    Re: Always Right Match Committee thread Rd 2 vs Carlton

    Quote Originally Posted by azabob View Post
    I assume this is a message to the club?

    Balance looks good. Are we still a tad too tall with Young on the bench?
    A message to all!

    Suckling in for Young maybe, but added an extra tall for flexibility and even though Schache is 6’6” I’m classifying him as a medium sized player.

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    Re: Always Right Match Committee thread Rd 2 vs Carlton

    In the period where we were flying Trengove was a big part of it all- either in the ruck or down back. His fall from grace has been dizzying and rapid.

    English couldn’t take his eyes off Grundy at all last night, to the point where he was so worried about him that he wasn’t positioned at all well for the ballon some occasions. You can understand why. But the plan B was to bring in pretty green part timers to face him, which also didn’t work at all. I think throwing in a bit of Trengove mongrel would have been a way better option.

    In: Trengove, Lipinski, Richards
    Out: Gardner, Young, Wallis

    Ps I think we can afford to lose another tall for a bit more dash (especially with no Curnow and the loss of Kruezer).

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    Re: Always Right Match Committee thread Rd 2 vs Carlton

    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis View Post
    My team -

    B- Crozier, Trengove, Wood
    HB - Williams, Keath, JJ
    C - Richards, Dunkley, Hunter
    HF - Smith, Naughton, Lipinski
    F - Cavarra, Bruce, Schache
    R - English, Bontempelli, Macrae

    Int - Daniel, McLean, Lloyd, Young

    Go your hardest!
    Quote Originally Posted by azabob View Post
    I assume this is a message to the club?

    Balance looks good. Are we still a tad too tall with Young on the bench?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis View Post
    A message to all!

    Suckling in for Young maybe, but added an extra tall for flexibility and even though Schache is 6’6” I’m classifying him as a medium sized player.
    I like your team, but agree with Aza, one player too tall. I would go either Trengove or Young at fullback and drop one. I wonder if we could slot Libba in instead of Mclean at this stage. Libba is ready to go but needs match fitness, but without Footscray maybe we take the risk. As for Suckling, his best games have been at HBF, but who do you drop?
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    Re: Always Right Match Committee thread Rd 2 vs Carlton

    The more English gets monstered coupled with no genuine key defenders when we legitimately need one makes me think Trengove really deserves a place in this side until those maladies are rectified. It's not as if anyone played sufficiently well last night to feel 'safe'.

    I'm sorry if Trenners shart on Bevo's front porch but it's time the coach got over it.

    Wanna mow down our 21 year old first ruck? Fine, have a dose of Trengove's knees for the last ten minutes of each quarter. Plus it'll free up English to be more influential around the ground, which is really his chief asset at the moment.
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    Re: Always Right Match Committee thread Rd 2 vs Carlton

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket Science View Post
    The more English gets monstered coupled with no genuine key defenders when we legitimately need one makes me think Trengove really deserves a place in this side until those maladies are rectified. It's not as if anyone played sufficiently well last night to feel 'safe'.

    I'm sorry if Trenners shart on Bevo's front porch but it's time the coach got over it.

    Wanna mow down our 21 year old first ruck? Fine, have a dose of Trengove's knees for the last ten minutes of each quarter. Plus it'll free up English to be more influential around the ground, which is really his chief asset at the moment.
    I don’t mind the fact that English will get monstered by champion ruckmen. That’s to be expected, he was given the role too early. The relevant skills are still developing and I can see progress.

    What I find unbelievable is nobody else expects it. He has never been given the respect and support that all learners need. He has never played beside a ruck mentor. He has had to learn from repeated thrashings. I respect the fact that he still hasn’t dropped his head.

    It is obvious that our game plan is based around a small group of stars, but as with the ruck I cannot see any concept of “what do we do if it’s not working”. Where is the built in redundancy?

    The Bont should have been moved away from where his problem was developing. Persisting wasted his talent. Instead of getting 70% we insisted on 30%. The same as we do when English has a bad day.

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    Re: Always Right Match Committee thread Rd 2 vs Carlton

    Quote Originally Posted by Danjul View Post
    I don’t mind the fact that English will get monstered by champion ruckmen. That’s to be expected, he was given the role too early. The relevant skills are still developing and I can see progress.

    What I find unbelievable is nobody else expects it. He has never been given the respect and support that all learners need. He has never played beside a ruck mentor. He has had to learn from repeated thrashings. I respect the fact that he still hasn’t dropped his head.

    It is obvious that our game plan is based around a small group of stars, but as with the ruck I cannot see any concept of “what do we do if it’s not working”. Where is the built in redundancy?

    The Bont should have been moved away from where his problem was developing. Persisting wasted his talent. Instead of getting 70% we insisted on 30%. The same as we do when English has a bad day.
    Good analysis, It appears that Bevo hasn't rated the ruck position that highly for a while now although if we continue to get burned in that area he might change that view just a bit. I suspect though that he is content to cop the beating backing his midfield to adjust to the other ruck man. Still 3 dominate games in a row by Grundy and 4 straight losses against Collingwood indicates we need to make some adjustments. On top of that English also got burned by Goldstein last year although full credit to him by going forward and kicking a couple of goals in that game. He found a way to contribute other than just with hit outs and marks around the ground

    There is no genuine plan B in case it's going pear shaped. Bevo has shown a preference for the likes of Cordy, Naughton, Schache and even Bontempelli or Dunkley to be used more than having someone like Trengove there. Young and Bruce will add to those additional options now which is good for Dunks and Bont.
    In my opinion from a playing list we have been short at least one genuine ruck option for a couple of seasons now and that is unlikely to change.
    I'm backing English to come through this and keep improving but as you pointed out he will cop some beatings along the way by the competition better rucks.
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    Re: Always Right Match Committee thread Rd 2 vs Carlton

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    Good analysis, It appears that Bevo hasn't rated the ruck position that highly for a while now although if we continue to get burned in that area he might change that view just a bit. I suspect though that he is content to cop the beating backing his midfield to adjust to the other ruck man. Still 3 dominate games in a row by Grundy and 4 straight losses against Collingwood indicates we need to make some adjustments. On top of that English also got burned by Goldstein last year although full credit to him by going forward and kicking a couple of goals in that game. He found a way to contribute other than just with hit outs and marks around the ground

    There is no genuine plan B in case it's going pear shaped. Bevo has shown a preference for the likes of Cordy, Naughton, Schache and even Bontempelli or Dunkley to be used more than having someone like Trengove there. Young and Bruce will add to those additional options now which is good for Dunks and Bont.
    In my opinion from a playing list we have been short at least one genuine ruck option for a couple of seasons now and that is unlikely to change.
    I'm backing English to come through this and keep improving but as you pointed out he will cop some beatings along the way by the competition better rucks.
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