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    Hypothetical: At the start of 2021...

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    1/. List sizes are now THIRTY FIVE (35) - FLAT. One list, no rookies etc. 35.
    2/. There WAS a 2020 draft and the minimum number of selections was TWO.

    Who has been delisted to enable this to occur. Assume contract status doesn't matter as the AFL have paid out all multi-year contracts for delisted players.

    p.s. I dont want to tell anyone how to suck eggs and the thread will go where it goes, BUT if we could stick to the premise rather than arguing about the premise that would be AMAZING.

    p.p.s. I think all this means we need to delist Twelve (12) players in order to get to a list of 33 before the draft.
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    Re: Hypothetical: At the start of 2021...

    Touygh, really tough. 12 is huge. Definitely guys I'd rather keep on that list will have to make way.

    Porter, Jong, Trengove, Dickson, Suckling, Khamis, Gowers, Greene, Lynch, Gardner, Hayes, Dale.

    I really want to keep Caverra... but we have two NGA kids (JUH, Raak) and a FS (McPherson) so I suspect we will want three spots open.
    I have assumed first year players on their mandated 2 year contract are untouchable, and Sweet is retained as the only half-decent ruck option we have (Bevo doesn't seem to want to play Trengove).

    Gardner is a harsh call, we really need a tall defender. I'd be tempted to tap Schache on the shoulder despite how good his field kicking and workrate ahead of the ball is.
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    Re: Hypothetical: At the start of 2021...

    I would delist the following, assuming I can upgrade some rookies on to main list to still get me to 33

    Suckling, Matthew
    Dickson, Tory
    Lloyd, Sam
    Jong, Lin
    Gowers, Billy
    Smith, Roarke R
    Hayes, Will
    Lynch, Bradley
    Greene, Fergus
    Gardner, Ryan R
    Garcia, Riley
    Khamis, Buku R
    Porter, Callum
    Sweet, Jordon R

    This will leave me with 33. I am a bit harsh on Garcia, but with an ACL, he is an unknown. I have upgraded La Young to a spot

    I know the OP says delist 12 but need to also get rid of rookies
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    Re: Hypothetical: At the start of 2021...

    Billy Gowers
    Fergus Greene
    Lin Jong
    Brad Lynch
    Ben Cavarra
    Callum Porter
    Tory Dickson
    Matt Suckling
    Jordan Sweet
    Roarke Smith
    Ryan Gardner
    Buku Khamis

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    Re: Hypothetical: At the start of 2021...

    So the task we have been handed is the need to get the playing list down to 33 players from 45

    With that in mind:
    Rookies - Roarke Smith, Ryan Gardner and Buku Khamis
    Senior list - Lin Jong, Tory Dickson, Jackson Trengove, Fergus Greene, Bradley Lynch, Callum Porter, Matthew Suckling, Riley Garcia and Billy Gowers

    I know this is going to sound harsh but I kept looking to Tom Liberatore and Easton Wood because I think Suckling offers more for us in 2021. Ben Cavarra and Will Hayes were also under consideration. I'd prefer to keep Trengove but I wonder if he is genuinely in the selection mix with us.

    I need to see how that list looks after the above culling
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    Re: Hypothetical: At the start of 2021...

    So is this a hypothetical exercise or have you heard something Mike?
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    Re: Hypothetical: At the start of 2021...

    Quote Originally Posted by Twodogs View Post
    So is this a hypothetical exercise or have you heard something Mike?
    There is a strong chance that the numbers quoted in the opening post is how it may play out. Certainly a playing list of 35 is a likely scenario.
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    Re: Hypothetical: At the start of 2021...

    Wow this would be chaos.

    I’d go with:

    Gardner
    Gowers
    R Smith
    Sweet
    Khamis
    Lynch
    Porter
    Hayes
    Dickson
    Jong
    Duryea
    Greene

    I want to say Cordy but that would be too much sunk costs. I really like Greene but can’t justify keeping him over Dale.

    Would there be a second stage of list culling to assess if we want to bring in any of the cast offs from other clubs?
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    Re: Hypothetical: At the start of 2021...

    Since I started it, I though I would shard what I have:

    Key Backs: 4
    - Le Young
    - Alex Keath
    - Zaine Cordy
    - *** 1 SPOT LEFT

    Medium Defenders: 7
    - Crozier
    - Duryea
    - JJ
    - Williams
    - Daniel
    - Lachie Young
    - Easton Wood

    Key Forwards: 4
    - Naughton
    - Bruce
    - Schache
    - *** 1 SPOT

    Small Forwards: 2
    - Weightman
    - Cavarra

    Medium Forwards: 5
    - Greene
    - Dale
    - Lloyd
    - *** 2 SPOTS

    Rucks: 2
    - English
    - Sweet

    Inside Mids: 7
    - Bont
    - Macrae
    - Dunks
    - Smith
    - Lipinski
    - West
    - Liberatore

    Outside Mids: 4
    - Hunter
    - Richards
    - Vandermeer
    - *** 1 SPOT


    All of which means I haven't found a spot for:
    Suckling (and I have been looking...but really he needs to be a medium defender.)
    Wallis
    Trengove (there is a key back sitting there for him)
    McClean - I think he needs to play as a mid to be of value.
    Khamis
    Gowers
    Porter
    Dickson
    Hayes - there is an outside mid spot available
    Lynch
    R Smith - Again, outside mid spot is there
    Gardner - Key back spot is vacant
    Jong
    Butler
    Garcia

    So I have 15 pushing for spots in a list of 35. But the balance of the list is again in question...we have 2-or-3 draftees coming in and we need to maintain some balance in our list - with lists of 35 this will be more important than ever...
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    Re: Hypothetical: At the start of 2021...

    Is the shorten list to save money ie wages?
    If it is then it's time to removed contracts and replace it with wages.
    If I'm going to cut hard then maybe the following.
    Not that I want to get rid of some on the list.

    Matt Suckling
    Jackson Trengove
    Easton Wood
    Sam Lloyd
    Ben Cavarra
    Tory Dickson
    Bailey Dale
    Will Hayes
    Caleb Daniel
    Brad Lynch
    Lin Jong
    Roarke Smith
    Ryan Gardner
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    Re: Hypothetical: At the start of 2021...

    List of players coming out of contract
    Easton Wood: 2020
    Billy Gowers: 2020
    Fergus Greene: 2020
    Jackson Trengove: 2020
    Taylor Duryea: 2020
    Lin Jong: 2020
    Brad Lynch: 2020
    Ben Cavarra: 2020
    Will Hayes: 2020
    Callum Porter: 2020
    Tory Dickson: 2020
    Matt Suckling: 2020 (FA)
    Lachie Young: 2020 (Rookie)
    Jordan Sweet: 2020 (Rookie)
    Roarke Smith: 2020 (Rookie)
    Ryan Gardner: 2020 (Rookie)
    Buku Khamis: 2020 (Rookie)

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    Re: Hypothetical: At the start of 2021...

    I think of the players out of contract...

    GONE
    Gowers
    Greene
    Jong
    Lynch
    Porter
    Dickson
    Sweet
    R Smith
    Gardner
    Khamis

    That leaves two from:
    Wood- think leadership in a tough time and ready to go factor keeps him around. Year off might help his body out too.
    Trengove- can play down back and in the ruck. Doesn't seem too highly rated by the club, so definitely in trouble. I'd keep him.
    Duryea- injury concerns but I think we are a better team with him in it.
    Cavarra- unfortunately I think he is one that needs to go just to get to 35.
    Hayes- we don't have manny wing type guys and he is that.
    Suckling- last one to go. Would rather keep him with the need for ready to go players.

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    Re: Hypothetical: At the start of 2021...

    Most seem like the same names.

    Laterally, known quantities might have better trade value this year. I’d consider good offers on Wallis, Libba &/or Wood.

    Free up spots, cash & hopefully still chase a Zac Williams.

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    Re: Hypothetical: At the start of 2021...

    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogtragic View Post
    Most seem like the same names.

    Laterally, known quantities might have better trade value this year. I’d consider good offers on Wallis, Libba &/or Wood.

    Free up spots, cash & hopefully still chase a Zac Williams.
    I'd add McLean to that list.

    I really like him but he's stagnated for a while and his value would still be decent

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    Re: Hypothetical: At the start of 2021...

    I would cut fringe or unestablished players like Cavarra and Garcia before I would cut Lloyd or Suckling
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