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    Matthew Richardson's 2004 afl re-draft

    Original top 10:

    Brett Deledio, Jarryd Roughead, Ryan Griffen, Richard Tambling, Lance Franklin, Tom Williams, Jordan Lewis, John Meesen, Jordan Russell, Chris Egan.

    Richos re-draft

    10 – Heath Grundy
    “He was probably their second best player in a Grand Final in 2016 and ended up with over 250 games off a rookie list,” Richardson told Sportsday.

    9 – Mark LeCras
    “A very, very good player playing in the half forward role. He wasn’t the number one target, but (kicked) 441 goals in 219 games. All-Australian and a best and fairest.”

    8 – Josh Gibson
    “What a player he became at the Hawthorn Football Club. He won two best and fairests in premiership years and off a rookie list (at North Melbourne) as well.”

    7 – Dale Morris

    “One of the toughest players I have ever played on. He could play small, he could play tall, incredibly hard and brave. I’ll never forget what he did in that 2016 premiership.”

    6 – Jordan Lewis
    “He played over 300 games, four premierships.”

    5 – Travis Cloke
    “Playing in a tough position on the ground, I just thought he was harshly rated at times. He was one of the best contested marks of the last 20 years, if not the best.”

    4 – Ryan Griffen
    “Captain, two best and fairests, played over 250 games.”

    3 – Jarryd Roughead
    “I’ve left Roughead at three. This is a bit contentious. We know what he achieved, one of the best guys in footy.”

    2 – Brett Deledio
    “I’ve had to drop Brett Deledio from number one to number two, so I’ll be expecting a text message from him any minute now, but not even he can argue with me here. Lids had a great career mind you and would have played 300 games if not for some calf injuries late in his career.”

    1 – Lance Franklin
    “Number one by a fair way, when you’ve been All-Australian eight times, that’s just incredible. I think he’ll end up kicking 1000 goals because this break might be good for him.”


    What changes would you make?

    Personally I wouldn't have Deledio at 3

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    Re: Matthew Richardson's 2004 afl re-draft

    Hard to argue with, although personally I'd have Roughy at no 2.
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    Re: Matthew Richardson's 2004 afl re-draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Mofra View Post
    Hard to argue with, although personally I'd have Roughy at no 2.
    Yeah, that’s the one for me. Rough feels to me like he was more valuable over the run. Deledio and Griff are tough to split.
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    Re: Matthew Richardson's 2004 afl re-draft

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Personally I wouldn't have Deledio at 3 due to the number of games he missed.
    He played 275 games! More than that bloke from GWS and only a handful less than Roughy. He hardly missed until the tail end of his career.

    Agree that there's not much between Deledio and our former captain.

    5 of the original top 7 are still there so the recruiters got it fairly correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe Man View Post
    He played 275 games! More than that bloke from GWS and only a handful less than Roughy. He hardly missed until the tail end of his career.

    Agree that there's not much between Deledio and our former captain.

    5 of the original top 7 are still there so the recruiters got it fairly correct.
    I must admit I didn't think he played that many. Seemed to be missing a hell of alot of times. I would still have Griff over Deledio anytime. Was a big performer in finals footy for us.
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    Re: Matthew Richardson's 2004 afl re-draft

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    I must admit I didn't think he played that many. Seemed to be missing a hell of alot of times. I would still have Griff over Deledio anytime. Was a big performer in finals footy for us.
    Deledio was better forward, but Griffen had a bigger impact in the middle and in finals. I think some Richmond bias has gotten the former over the line but they're hard to split.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    Deledio was better forward, but Griffen had a bigger impact in the middle and in finals. I think some Richmond bias has gotten the former over the line but they're hard to split.
    If you refer to their personal awards they match up pretty evenly too.

    Deledio has a few more games under his belt which is why people may put him ahead, although Griff's game in that final against Sydney (on one leg) was one of the best finals performances I've seen.
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    Re: Matthew Richardson's 2004 afl re-draft

    Good calls by Richo
    I’d have Roughead ahead of deledio and Griffen as well

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    Re: Matthew Richardson's 2004 afl re-draft

    Pleased to see Morris and Grundy in there.

    Well deserved.
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    Re: Matthew Richardson's 2004 afl re-draft

    Am I missing something???

    I am 99.99999% sure Eddie Betts was part of the 04 draft. I also think Josh Gibson was part of it.

    How are those two not top 10?

    Isn't it something like this:

    Buddy
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    Daylight
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    Betts
    Cloke
    Lewis
    Delidio
    Griffen
    Morris
    Gibson
    Maybe LeCras? Van Berlo who captained Adelaide would go close!

    Lewis with 4-flags, Gibson with 3...those guys have got to move on up in the list I think. Delidio and Gryphon with zero and - sadly - not even many finals games...they need to drop down.
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    Re: Matthew Richardson's 2004 afl re-draft

    And yet with the power of hindsight I would take Roughead with the first pick of the draft
    I remember attending a presentation that Clarkson made and he mentioned that Roughy brought a lot more to the club than just his football prowess. Franklin is a great footballer but I'd pick Roughy at pick 1.
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    Re: Matthew Richardson's 2004 afl re-draft

    Quote Originally Posted by mjp View Post
    Am I missing something???

    I am 99.99999% sure Eddie Betts was part of the 04 draft. I also think Josh Gibson was part of it.

    How are those two not top 10?

    Isn't it something like this:

    Buddy
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    Roughy
    Betts
    Cloke
    Lewis
    Delidio
    Griffen
    Morris
    Gibson
    Maybe LeCras? Van Berlo who captained Adelaide would go close!

    Lewis with 4-flags, Gibson with 3...those guys have got to move on up in the list I think. Delidio and Gryphon with zero and - sadly - not even many finals games...they need to drop down.
    Gibson is at 8, which seems fair. Betts may have been an administrative error as he was Pre Season Draft, not main or rookie, but yeah he should be in there. I get the argument for Lewis moving up, he was a cracking player, but would he have been a 4 time premiership player at the Dogs or Richmond?

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    Re: Matthew Richardson's 2004 afl re-draft

    I reckon too much weight is given to premierships in these sorts of lists generally speaking. Some ordinary players win more than one of them.
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    Re: Matthew Richardson's 2004 afl re-draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Mofra View Post
    If you refer to their personal awards they match up pretty evenly too.

    Deledio has a few more games under his belt which is why people may put him ahead, although Griff's game in that final against Sydney (on one leg) was one of the best finals performances I've seen.
    From 2006 to 2010, Griffen was in the top 1-3 players on the ground for us in 8 of the 11 finals we played. He is marked down because of the way he left the Dogs as captain but for mine he was vastly more impactful than Deledio, who was a glorified seagull picking up cheapies off half back for much of his career. If career longevity was a key determining factor then Eagleton would be a hall of famer. Deledio was a nice player but vastly overrated by the footy community.
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    Re: Matthew Richardson's 2004 afl re-draft

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    And yet with the power of hindsight I would take Roughead with the first pick of the draft
    I remember attending a presentation that Clarkson made and he mentioned that Roughy brought a lot more to the club than just his football prowess. Franklin is a great footballer but I'd pick Roughy at pick 1.
    Now that is a controversial hot take. You'd be in the tiny minority not picking Buddy at 1...not that you don't make a good point, but Buddy is one of the ALLLLLLL time greats.
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