We beat the Giants - Has anything "REALLY" changed?

[Danjul]

Unfortunately Tim has progressed very little with his ruck craft.

I do get he is very good as the mobile tall and I really liked how he covered the ground and contributed as a marking player, but if we persist with Tim as the ruckman we need to be prepared to start the game from half back if we can't shark opposition hit outs.

The best team we can put out probably concedes the ruck, but we need strategies to overcome the deficiency and that requires Tim to be very good in other parts of the ground.

We can’t possibly approach games with this mentality. Failure oriented isn’t acceptable.

[Danjul]

I just dont see it. He is OK reading the play a kick behind the game, but we are talking about a position that no-one in the entire league plays well right now...

English is a natural CHF.

When he can focus on the ball he usually positions himself so he gets it.

He took 7 marks on Friday (most for the team), moved beautifully, and can easily kick 50m.

I have more faith in him kicking at goal than the forwards we have tried this year.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

I just dont see it. He is OK reading the play a kick behind the game, but we are talking about a position that no-one in the entire league plays well right now...

Agree that he takes his marks floating into the pack rather than leading into it, though the sample pot is still limited.

More that I'm trying to think how else we can utilise English without shooting ourselves in the foot. I guess the question is, do we think he can become a good ruck? I'm not sold.

What would you do MJP?

[hujsh]

last year he kicked 8 goals 10. Pretty accurate for a beginner.

That's not accurate by any metric.

He's also not a beginner. He's a late developing ruckman but was playing football before his growth spurt so I'm sure he's played forward and taken plenty of set shots. He just doesn't seem to be good at them. We also don't seem to be able to improve that aspect of players games.

[Danjul]

That's not accurate by any metric.

He's also not a beginner. He's a late developing ruckman but was playing football before his growth spurt so I'm sure he's played forward and taken plenty of set shots. He just doesn't seem to be good at them. We also don't seem to be able to improve that aspect of players games.

I cannot understand why professional footballers can’t be trained to kick straight (most of the time) with a 40m set shot.

[Murphy'sLore]

I cannot understand why professional footballers can’t be trained to kick straight (most of the time) with a 40m set shot.

That is one of the biggest mysteries of the game.

[hujsh]

I cannot understand why professional footballers can’t be trained to kick straight (most of the time) with a 40m set shot.

There we find common ground. Fatigue is the best answer I can muster. I don't believe it holds up to intense scrutiny though

[DOG GOD]

It’s probably only how I see things but for me, we have similar issues to most teams playing at the moment.

1) we have players who look unfit (Bruce in particular)
And
2) players who are going through the motions and look disinterested.

This year, anyone can beat anyone on any given day. AFL is a lot of mindset, and they way I’m seeing it, there are more than “a few” players in each team who look to have the “blah” mindset about season 2020. Imagine training, hubbing, doing what ever the hell the AFL demand of you to probably have the season suspended again or even abandoned.

[ledge]

It’s probably only how I see things but for me, we have similar issues to most teams playing at the moment.

1) we have players who look unfit (Bruce in particular)
And
2) players who are going through the motions and look disinterested.

This year, anyone can beat anyone on any given day. AFL is a lot of mindset, and they way I’m seeing it, there are more than “a few” players in each team who look to have the “blah” mindset about season 2020. Imagine training, hubbing, doing what ever the hell the AFL demand of you to probably have the season suspended again or even abandoned.

$$$ they are paid to care and if they are being “blah” they risk losing their job and career.

[Twodogs]

$$$ they are paid to care and if they are being “blah” they risk losing their job and career.

Yep. Lists get cut to 35 (?) at the end of this season so you'd think that would be enough to focus most players' minds.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

[QUOTE=Twodogs;680386]Yep. Lists get cut to 35 (?) at the end of this season so you'd think that would be enough to focus most players' minds.[/?QUOTE]

Is 35 a certainty?

[bornadog]

Yep. Lists get cut to 35 (?) at the end of this season so you'd think that would be enough to focus most players' minds.[/?QUOTE]

Is 35 a certainty?

No, there hasn't been an announcement

[Twodogs]

I was wondering how they were going to be able to do it with existing contracts. I'm glad I'm wrong and hope it doesn't happen

[bornadog]

I was wondering how they were going to be able to do it with existing contracts. I'm glad I'm wrong and hope it doesn't happen

TD, you are neither right or wrong. HQ still thinking about it.

[FrediKanoute]

English is a natural CHF.

When he can focus on the ball he usually positions himself so he gets it.

He took 7 marks on Friday (most for the team), moved beautifully, and can easily kick 50m.

I have more faith in him kicking at goal than the forwards we have tried this year.

I don't see it. I could agree a natural CHB, but I really like what he is doing in the ruck. He is effectively playing as a defensive ruck rover. That is going to work against some teams.