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    State of the game

    Apologies if there's a similar thread - please merge.

    State of the game. It's not something I've typically engaged because much of it comes from the likes of KB who I can't stand, but I find myself not even really enjoying watching footy anymore.

    It's just so dour. Scoring is obviously down but from an aesthetic point of view, I can't stand seeing 25-30 players camped in a forward line with blind kicks taken at goal or hack kicks out of D50. It feels like our game, at times, now has so little skill involved. It's more about having a 'surge' mentality to be more aggressive/intense in your actions than the opposition. It's basically rugby 2.0.

    I remember watching footy on TV in the late 90s and early 00s and there seemed to routinely be some really attractive games to watch. More attacking but no less physical.

    I don't know what they can do to fix it, but right now footy is a crap product. It's become too professional by nature, which has led to becoming far too defensive for the most part.

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    Re: State of the game

    I agree. I think its time to move to 16 v 16.

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    There are just so many players around the ball, and 'locking it in' is now a legitimate tactic.

    I actually think there should be consideration to multiple tacklers on the one ball carrier. So often we get repeat stoppages and as soon as one player gets the ball, three opposition mids tackle them and the ball is never coming out. If only one player was allowed to tackle an opponent at any one time the chances of the ball being released go up, and it could reduce the number of centre stoppages which would get the game moving again.
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    Re: State of the game

    Reward higher scoring with extra points, binus premiership points etc. Give the coaches an incentive to score more.
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    Re: State of the game

    Quote Originally Posted by Mofra View Post
    There are just so many players around the ball, and 'locking it in' is now a legitimate tactic.

    I actually think there should be consideration to multiple tacklers on the one ball carrier. So often we get repeat stoppages and as soon as one player gets the ball, three opposition mids tackle them and the ball is never coming out. If only one player was allowed to tackle an opponent at any one time the chances of the ball being released go up, and it could reduce the number of centre stoppages which would get the game moving again.
    It would reduce stoppages but I think it would add to the rolling pack problem and become more like rugby. You’d have players surrounding the pack waiting for the ball to come loose. Then rinse and repeat.

    I think 16 v 16 to reduce congestion on the field is the way to go. I don’t want to get to permanent zones as that ruins the games freedom.

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    Re: State of the game

    Quote Originally Posted by comrade View Post
    Reward higher scoring with extra points, binus premiership points etc. Give the coaches an incentive to score more.
    Thank you!

    16 vs. 16 won't do enough, coaches will find a way to congest around the footy and will still be able to defend the ends of the ground. Changing the rules will only lead to further complications.

    The only thing that hasn't been changed is incentivising what everyone wants to happen. Points, cash, whatever I really don't care. Just do the one thing the AFL has not been considering.

    Imagine if you got a premiership point win lose or draw for kicking 100 points in a game. What would that do to the psyche of coaches?
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    Re: State of the game

    Unless you would like to change the game completely, there is nothing that can be done through rule changes that will actually make the game look different. Maybe 16 v 16 might help, but unless you have zones throughout the game where players can't cross, then we are stuck with what we have. I for one would not like to see permanent zones.
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    Re: State of the game

    Quote Originally Posted by comrade View Post
    Reward higher scoring with extra points, binus premiership points etc. Give the coaches an incentive to score more.
    I don't believe we need to change scoring as we have had this in place for years nor do we need to incentivise coaches to score more.
    The solution has to be about having less congestion and maybe having 4 forwards and defenders locked into their areas

    I'm not sure 16 v 16 is the way to go either
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    Thank you!

    16 vs. 16 won't do enough, coaches will find a way to congest around the footy and will still be able to defend the ends of the ground. Changing the rules will only lead to further complications.

    The only thing that hasn't been changed is incentivising what everyone wants to happen. Points, cash, whatever I really don't care. Just do the one thing the AFL has not been considering.

    Imagine if you got a premiership point win lose or draw for kicking 100 points in a game. What would that do to the psyche of coaches?
    It just seems kind of obvious, doesn't it?

    No tinkering of rules, no transforming the game itself by reducing the players on the field.

    Just provide rewards for high scoring and high scoring will happen.
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    Re: State of the game

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    I don't believe we need to change scoring as we have had this in place for years nor do we need to incentivise coaches to score more.
    The solution has to be about having less congestion and maybe having 4 forwards and defenders locked into their areas

    I'm not sure 16 v 16 is the way to go either
    That completely transforms the game in a way that makes it more like netball.
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    Re: State of the game

    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    Thank you!

    16 vs. 16 won't do enough, coaches will find a way to congest around the footy and will still be able to defend the ends of the ground. Changing the rules will only lead to further complications.

    The only thing that hasn't been changed is incentivising what everyone wants to happen. Points, cash, whatever I really don't care. Just do the one thing the AFL has not been considering.

    Imagine if you got a premiership point win lose or draw for kicking 100 points in a game. What would that do to the psyche of coaches?
    I don't think it would go far enough to address the problem. Coaches would still focus on winning first and foremost. They'd rather be assured of 4 premiership points than risk losing to gain 1 extra point. There are more cash incentives to simply win games of football than to score more. And in any case, high scoring teams are somewhat rewarded with prime time TV slots at the moment.

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    Re: State of the game

    Stricter HTB interpretations have helped but need to be enforced much more consistently - this weekend the rule was relaxed in some games and even between quarters in some games. Also it needs to be accompanied by much quicker throw-ups by the umpires instead of farting around waiting for nominated ruckman to put their hand up and asking for permission to compete - all that does is bring another 15-20 players into the stoppage. While we're at it, if there's a genuine 50-50 stalemate, umps need to call it and throw it up straight away and not wait a further 5 seconds to see if the ball gets out. Again that just promotes bees to the honeypot.

    I tear my hair out listening to the likes of Gerard Healy crapping on about rewarding the person who gets to the ball first - his reward is being first to the ball and dictating the next play. Why should he be rewarded if he does nothing other than take the tackle and try to force a stoppage? Elite footballers are very capable of making decisions to either take possession if they know they are going to get tackled, or knock it on to space or towards a teammate - this will also make the tackler more accountable for their tackling rechnique, and also force them to make a decision whether or not to tackle (and potentially infringe) or to corrall.

    Short kicks also destroy fast ball movement - make the limit 25m and be strict on enforcing this. I'm also big on last kick or handball out of bounds to be a free to the opposition - not last touch. This will promote more corridor play and reduce more boundary stoppages.

    I honestly don't think we need to go nuclear options to get players to remain in position if we can keep the ball constantly moving through the above means.
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    Re: State of the game

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Days View Post
    Percentage. With. Points. For. Only.
    Yeah i thought along these lines too. But it does become a bit of a problem when teams play in wet weather moreso than others. Fortunately with our home ground under a roof we actuall benefit from it

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    Re: State of the game

    As far as tweaks go, I agree with Sedat that short kicking is a scourge and isn't enforced nearly enough. 15m is ok if the umpires actually enforce it, not sure how to do it consistently and accurately so maybe extending out to 20m will help.

    I also think taking away 3rd man up was a big mistake for around the ground ruck contests. It allowed the ball to clear the immediate congestion and it's no surprise footy is crappier since it was abolished.
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