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    We run, and we run - the stats thread

    For shits and giggles, I thought I'd look at our average stats vs opponents here:

    https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-western-bulldogs

    Western Bulldogs 2020 Averages Per Game
    Team GM K HB D M T G B HO FF FA GA CL CG R50
    Bulldogs 7 165.9 141.4 307.3 66.3 47.7 9.1 7.7 17.4 17.7 16 5.3 27.4 42 29.9
    Opponent 7 179.9 120.3 300.1 81.7 48.3 9.1 7.8 39 15.9 17.6 6.3 28.3 46.9 32
    Team/Opp. Diff. 7 -14 21.1 7.2 -15.4 -0.6 0 0 -21.6 1.9 -1.6 -1 -0.9 -4.9 -2.1

    Forgive formatting, but if you have a look at the stats we're behind our opponents in most measures - including (surprisingly) clearances and rebound 50s. We also kick the ball, on average, 14 times less than our opponents.

    The two stats that stand out like dog testicles are hit-outs (no surprise) where we average 21.6 less hit-outs per game, and handballs where we average 21.1 more handballs per game.

    Handball club is back - we're clearly under instruction to run the ball and release by hand rather than just boot the pill forward to contest after contest. We also seem to be less willing to chip the ball around, with 15.4 less marks per game on average. More chaos, less control - we're speeding up the game.

    We clearly want to generate scoring chains from the back half, which has Jason Johannisen(!) our leading assist player. Bailey Williams is, unsurprisingly, leading our rebound 50s with a total of 31. Wallis is leading the goal-kicking which is more 'death by 1000 cuts' than a player the opposition would put serious time into.

    What does that mean for the rest of the year?
    Well at the selection table we'd be far more likely to go 'short' (as we did against Essendon) than go 'tall' (as we did in round 1). It also means the idea of playing a second competent ruckman to give Tim English a chop out is unlikely to happen, so Trengove and Sweet may not get a chance as long as Timmy stays fit.

    Lastly high-speed, low production types (Vandermeer, Ed Richards) will get ample opportunity to keep their spots provided they run the ball when it's their turn, and players who panic with the ball in hand or dispose of it too quickly (Trengove, and Lippi has done it occasionally in the past) will be under more pressure.
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    Re: We run, and we run - the stats thread

    Very interesting love stats. Regarding our attack from rebound 50 and handball chains I think that’s why we go ok against clubs who tend to sit off a bit more and sweat on the turnover like maybe the Tigers as opposed to teams who counter attack, like the Blues and the Saints. We can carve through those zones and get the ball to a spot where we can clear it into our 50 with handball through the defensive to attacking centre. Avoid that dump (hate the term) kick scenario the Tigers especially love scoring around 66% from turnovers last season.

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    Re: We run, and we run - the stats thread

    So Bruce as the lone tall (with occasional stints by English who just seemed to be everywhere last Friday) for the foreseeable future...imagine Naughton plays when fit as his pace/pressure is as good as any of our mid sized forwards.

    Assuming Lipinski will be the next in line when Dunkley's fit. I'm more concerned with his lack of pace then his ball use under pressure - he can't close space.

    Vandermeer is not only quick, but a very good user of the footy. Glad he's been elevated and given a consistent run at it.

    Thought Lloyd's pressure was much improved before his injury - can see him taking Dale's spot shortly.
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    Re: We run, and we run - the stats thread

    Apologies but that was really annoying me

    Team GM K HB D M T G B HO FF FA GA CL CG R50
    Bulldogs 7 165.9 141.4 307.3 66.3 47.7 9.1 7.7 17.4 17.7 16 5.3 27.4 42 29.9
    Opponent 7 179.9 120.3 300.1 81.7 48.3 9.1 7.8 39 15.9 17.6 6.3 28.3 46.9 32
    Team/Opp. Diff. 7 -14 21.1 7.2 -15.4 -0.6 0 0 -21.6 1.9 -1.6 -1 -0.9 -4.9 -2.1

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    Re: We run, and we run - the stats thread

    That really does stand out, I'm happy that we are bringing back the handball as it is most suited to many of our players. With shortened quarters I also feel that players stamina should be easier to manage.

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    Re: We run, and we run - the stats thread

    I'd like to see us finetune our handball game - too often we put ourselves under more pressure by releasing 1-2 extra handballs. We get away with it when the opposition aren't bringing heat, but what they do (GWS EF, Pies, Saints, Blues) we get creamed.

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    Re: We run, and we run - the stats thread

    Quote Originally Posted by The Bulldogs Bite View Post
    I'd like to see us finetune our handball game - too often we put ourselves under more pressure by releasing 1-2 extra handballs. We get away with it when the opposition aren't bringing heat, but what they do (GWS EF, Pies, Saints, Blues) we get creamed.
    Bevo wasn't happy with the number of Handballs in the Carlton game and set out to rectify it. Sometimes too many HBs are due to the pressure applied from the opposition, which I thought both the Saints and Blues did well.
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    Re: We run, and we run - the stats thread

    I am a bit disturbed by that free kick tally.

    While the chart provides an impossible (ff and fa - should be nett zero and the differential should be a mirror image), I don't understand why it is so close.

    I keep hearing chatter that we are favoured by the umps and I expect at least 3 more frees as the standard.

    In all seriousness, we are quite disciplined and despite having a strong differential against Essendon, I felt we were subject to a few evening up type decisions when we were on top.
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    Re: We run, and we run - the stats thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Bevo wasn't happy with the number of Handballs in the Carlton game and set out to rectify it. Sometimes too many HBs are due to the pressure applied from the opposition, which I thought both the Saints and Blues did well.
    No doubt their pressure was good whilst ours was poor, but our style does invite pressure and is vulnerable to not standing up to it. It's why we cough up some easy goals, whilst the Carlton game was infuriating because we failed to adjust to the conditions and their pressure.

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    Re: We run, and we run - the stats thread

    The Western Bulldogs are generating a scoring shot on 50.1% of forward 50 forays so far this season, up significantly from the 39.8% number they posted in 2020.





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    Re: We run, and we run - the stats thread

    I am a little wary of our stats right now, although I'd love to see how we measure up if we exclude the North game as an outlier.
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    Re: We run, and we run - the stats thread

    We have definitely improved our forward 50 entries as compared to last season. We don't tend to bomb away too often and have generally been good at hitting up leading targets. Forward pressure has been pretty good (if you wonder what McNeal and Scott bring to the table, this is a big part), opposition defences haven't been able to waltz out of our forward line with ease most of the time. Of course goal kicking accuracy is the glaring weakness in those stats, but we didn't need stats to know that it is still an issue.

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    Re: We run, and we run - the stats thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Axe Man View Post
    We have definitely improved our forward 50 entries as compared to last season. We don't tend to bomb away too often and have generally been good at hitting up leading targets. Forward pressure has been pretty good (if you wonder what McNeal and Scott bring to the table, this is a big part), opposition defences haven't been able to waltz out of our forward line with ease most of the time. Of course goal kicking accuracy is the glaring weakness in those stats, but we didn't need stats to know that it is still an issue.
    The opposition may not waltz out as much, but they certainly come out far to easily from a kick out. Normally 2 kicks gets them to the wing, whereas we have Daniel doing most of ours, in turn, taking 2 possies to get out of 50. Not really knowing our zone, but it seems we give the opposition far too much leverage with this.
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