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Re: What do we do about our forward Llne
Originally Posted by
AshMac
Be awesome if all our forwards didn’t lead to the same spot when we have controlled entry and we didn’t send all players up.
I don't think they are leading to the same spot. At least not on purpose. Our problem is our forwards don't get the opportunity to make smart, purposeful leads as there is never any smart/purposeful or systematic delivery. Its completely haphasard. The look that all forwards lead to the same spot I think is more a result of a rushed and hacked ball coming into the F50 that then means all forwards have to go to the same spot to create a contest. Everyone going up for the mark is then certainly a problem though.
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Re: What do we do about our forward Llne
Originally Posted by
bulldogsthru&thru
I don't think they are leading to the same spot. At least not on purpose. Our problem is our forwards don't get the opportunity to make smart, purposeful leads as there is never any smart/purposeful or systematic delivery. Its completely haphasard. The look that all forwards lead to the same spot I think is more a result of a rushed and hacked ball coming into the F50 that then means all forwards have to go to the same spot to create a contest. Everyone going up for the mark is then certainly a problem though.
So we need to emphasise on forward leading patterns. We get in it there enough but we need to figure out the leading patterns and get some precise pinpoint passes to those forwards.
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Re: What do we do about our forward Llne
Originally Posted by
Eastdog
So we need to emphasise on forward leading patterns. We get in it there enough but we need to figure out the leading patterns and get some precise pinpoint passes to those forwards.
I still maintain belief our forward woes are a symptom of a much bigger problem further up field. But it’s not that I don’t think we have forward issues. We certainly do, but if we can make life easier on our forwards we can then start to work on their problems such as leading patterns and when and when not to go for a mark which, frankly, are simpler issues to address.
We need to work in smaller swarms up the ground instead of what currently ressembles the Monash freeway at 5pm. Spread the opposition out which will then lead to more space up forward for leads to be made. This will rely on a bit of speed and skill but will give us more quality opportunities. Easier said than done though
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Re: What do we do about our forward Llne
Originally Posted by
bulldogsthru&thru
I still maintain belief our forward woes are a symptom of a much bigger problem further up field. But it’s not that I don’t think we have forward issues. We certainly do, but if we can make life easier on our forwards we can then start to work on their problems such as leading patterns and when and when not to go for a mark which, frankly, are simpler issues to address.
We need to work in smaller swarms up the ground instead of what currently ressembles the Monash freeway at 5pm. Spread the opposition out which will then lead to more space up forward for leads to be made. This will rely on a bit of speed and skill but will give us more quality opportunities. Easier said than done though
Do we have the coaching staff to change the game plan, and more importantly, do we have the players to action it?
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Re: What do we do about our forward Llne
Originally Posted by
DOG GOD
Do we have the coaching staff to change the game plan, and more importantly, do we have the players to action it?
Coaching staff I have no idea. History suggests no as we’ve been a 1 way to play team for 5 years. I’d like us to shake up the coaching panel with Bevo still in charge of course.
I think with our playing group we’ve got enough to work with. Certainly could improve but which team doesn’t have room for improvement? Certainly up forward we need to get a better mix but elsewhere I think we have enough to make something different work. Foot skills and speed aren’t our strong suits but a different style of play could see some players in a different light. I’m thinking Richards, Dale, McLean, Lippa and most importantly Bont
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Re: What do we do about our forward Llne
Originally Posted by
bulldogsthru&thru
I don't think they are leading to the same spot. At least not on purpose. Our problem is our forwards don't get the opportunity to make smart, purposeful leads as there is never any smart/purposeful or systematic delivery. Its completely haphasard. The look that all forwards lead to the same spot I think is more a result of a rushed and hacked ball coming into the F50 that then means all forwards have to go to the same spot to create a contest. Everyone going up for the mark is then certainly a problem though.
Yeh agree re. all running under a long bomb. Also agree the problem is further up the field, we over handball to control the play and either get bottled up and turnover or have to throw it on the boot and it goes high and long into F50.
I’m honesty, I thought the biggest problem last night was our lack of contested marks. It’s clear teams know that by closing down options for the kicker we mess around with it and we don’t have any last resort expect a long bomb. It’s the same problem between the arcs as going inside 50 it just hurts so much when it rebounds straight back out of F50
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Re: What do we do about our forward Llne
Originally Posted by
bulldogsthru&thru
Coaching staff I have no idea. History suggests no as we’ve been a 1 way to play team for 5 years. I’d like us to shake up the coaching panel with Bevo still in charge of course.
I think with our playing group we’ve got enough to work with. Certainly could improve but which team doesn’t have room for improvement? Certainly up forward we need to get a better mix but elsewhere I think we have enough to make something different work. Foot skills and speed aren’t our strong suits but a different style of play could see some players in a different light. I’m thinking Richards, Dale, McLean, Lippa and most importantly Bont
Thanks for the laugh. A change to the coaching panel...
More of an In Bruges guy?
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Re: What do we do about our forward Llne
Indulge me, I have no idea if he's even remotely interested in re-entering 'the system' but how about we sound out Nick Riewoldt as a specialist forward coach?
I know. I know. But he talks rare sense for someone handed a microphone and has contemporary football intelligence up the wazoo, more crucially from an instinctive, mobile forward's perspective. Imagine some of that rubbed off on a certain other, skilled, rangy forward like Schache? Plus the relationship with ex-teammate Bruce.
Yeah, Bruce is new and still acclimating, Naughts is missing and the forward line's a permanent work in progress. Call me nuts but maybe we jag someone qualified to try turning it into a finished article that helps us win games of football rather than piss them away.
Our rusted-on coaching staff is starting to remind me of the shadow bench of the federal Labour Party where results seem a distant second imperative to maintaining an insulated, unchallenged gig. Quite the tangent. Who knows, maybe Naughts is the circuit breaker, but I envy teams that make and take their chances.
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Re: What do we do about our forward Llne
Originally Posted by
bulldogsthru&thru
Coaching staff I have no idea. History suggests no as we’ve been a 1 way to play team for 5 years. I’d like us to shake up the coaching panel with Bevo still in charge of course.
I think with our playing group we’ve got enough to work with. Certainly could improve but which team doesn’t have room for improvement? Certainly up forward we need to get a better mix but elsewhere I think we have enough to make something different work. Foot skills and speed aren’t our strong suits but a different style of play could see some players in a different light. I’m thinking Richards, Dale, McLean, Lippa and most importantly Bont
I enjoyed these comments. The Coaching support group needs to be refreshed Would like to see us reinstate both Dale Morris and Joel Corey both Premiership players and lure back another Premiership player of ours in Matthew Boyd from Collingwood. These are successful people who have done the hard yards.We continue to go through the same old same old with little change in direction. Strong Clubs like Richmond place strong emphasis in this important area.
We should be doing likewise.
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Re: What do we do about our forward Llne
What are the chances we can throw the kitchen sink at Tom Papley to come over?
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Re: What do we do about our forward Llne
Can someone enlighten me to what happened in the back half of last year? I missed last season but looks like we were scoring heavily left, right and centre. Was this more a reflection on our opposition ala north melbourne this year? Or were we doing something different?
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Re: What do we do about our forward Llne
Originally Posted by
Vred
What are the chances we can throw the kitchen sink at Tom Papley to come over?
It was discussed but he re-signed last year. Long shot.
But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.
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Re: What do we do about our forward Llne
Originally Posted by
Rocket Science
Indulge me, I have no idea if he's even remotely interested in re-entering 'the system' but how about we sound out Nick Riewoldt as a specialist forward coach?
I know. I know. But he talks rare sense for someone handed a microphone and has contemporary football intelligence up the wazoo, more crucially from an instinctive, mobile forward's perspective. Imagine some of that rubbed off on a certain other, skilled, rangy forward like Schache? Plus the relationship with ex-teammate Bruce.
Yeah, Bruce is new and still acclimating, Naughts is missing and the forward line's a permanent work in progress. Call me nuts but maybe we jag someone qualified to try turning it into a finished article that helps us win games of football rather than piss them away.
Our rusted-on coaching staff is starting to remind me of the shadow bench of the federal Labour Party where results seem a distant second imperative to maintaining an insulated, unchallenged gig. Quite the tangent. Who knows, maybe Naughts is the circuit breaker, but I envy teams that make and take their chances.
The other positive with bringing Riewoldt on board is he demands extremely high standards.
Hell, I'm open to anything to get us out of this monotonous year on year trend.
More of an In Bruges guy?
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Re: What do we do about our forward Llne
Originally Posted by
bulldogsthru&thru
Can someone enlighten me to what happened in the back half of last year? I missed last season but looks like we were scoring heavily left, right and centre. Was this more a reflection on our opposition ala north melbourne this year? Or were we doing something different?
Honestly I think it was a bit of everything.
We had an extremely friendly draw, Bailey Dale produced his best ten games of football ever earning him a nice contract. I'm not actually sure if we beat anyone of significance, other than the giants who were in a bad patch of form and missing players.
But when the crunch came we were bullied and pressured by the Giants in the first elimination final and our game style fell away.
More of an In Bruges guy?
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Re: What do we do about our forward Llne
Originally Posted by
azabob
The other positive with bringing Riewoldt on board is he demands extremely high standards.
Hell, I'm open to anything to get us out of this monotonous year on year trend.
Imagine the meltdown on this board if we hired Nick Riewoldt. I couldn't get enough popcorn.
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