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25-10-2020, 07:29 PM
#451
Re: Trade Dunkley
Originally Posted by
Happy Days
Well if it were up to me I would have simply not done the trade at all, but the pick we gave up could've been at least a whole round later given the circumstances.
Are you saying you'd have not done the trade at all based on information you didn't have, or just because you don't think Carlisle is worth it?
If you're arguing the second point, then sure. I kind of agree with you, pick five was a big price to pay.
Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.
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25-10-2020, 08:07 PM
#452
Re: Trade Dunkley
Originally Posted by
jeemak
Are you saying you'd have not done the trade at all based on information you didn't have, or just because you don't think Carlisle is worth it?
If you're arguing the second point, then sure. I kind of agree with you, pick five was a big price to pay.
I don’t think he was worth it but I also think the risk exposure was kind of ignored, almost arrogantly so.
Reminds me a lot of the negotiations around De Goey this year now that I think about it.
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25-10-2020, 08:14 PM
#453
Re: Trade Dunkley
Ricky Nixon linking us to Kyle -
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25-10-2020, 08:25 PM
#454
Re: Trade Dunkley
Well one thing is certain, it's going to be an interesting trade period for us.
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25-10-2020, 08:35 PM
#455
Re: Trade Dunkley
Originally Posted by
Happy Days
I don’t think he was worth it but I also think the risk exposure was kind of ignored, almost arrogantly so.
Reminds me a lot of the negotiations around De Goey this year now that I think about it.
So you're suggesting his reputation preceded him to the extent he should have been avoided in the first place, least of all for the price.
Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.
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25-10-2020, 08:52 PM
#456
Re: Trade Dunkley
Originally Posted by
The Bulldogs Bite
Well one thing is certain, it's going to be an interesting trade period for us.
Just some random thoughts from me given the Dunkley saga and the posts to date:
- If he wants to stay for the right reasons, he will go on to have a brilliant career. Rick Kennedy said as much when (as Director of the Bulldogs) he said Chris Grant will go to another level as a result of staying for the right reasons and not following Port's inducements at the time.
- Anyone who saw Open Mike with Andrew Dunkley can see he is pretty bitter with the Swans post his career, given he was jibbed a coaching role and being lukewarm on Josh. He will be advising him that loyalty does not get reciprocated i would think.
- Can Josh see he will be getting more game time in the middle going forward? His season was impacted by injury. Despite this, he is invaluable up forward, given his marking prowess. Any coach would use him up forward as well. If he was not as good overhead, he would be in the middle more often.
- Free Agency for him in two years time, is it? A lot can happen in that period, where he will be at his prime and thus, could even be commanding a similar pay-packet (hopefully at the Bullies). Committing to the Bummers for five-years means he misses out on Free Agency, where he could be more in demand by other clubs, with better cultures than the Bummers (i.e.: the rest of the comp).
- Who knows, maybe he cracks it like Cyclops (aka: Griffin) pulls a George Costanza to get sacked and the Club can use it to its advantage to get the players it requires (like Tom Boyd).
- Never known of a win-win trade with the Bummers in my lifetime.
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26-10-2020, 09:14 AM
#457
Re: Trade Dunkley
The thing that worries me more than anything is having to deal with dodo if a trade is to go ahead. He’s astute and bull headed as any list manager and ALWAYS stretches the simplest trades out to the last hour, putting pressure on the other team to bend over. I don’t hold much hope (even though we hold all the cards) that we would come out of this as a CLEAR winner.
I will never see #16 the same!!
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26-10-2020, 09:18 AM
#458
Re: Trade Dunkley
Originally Posted by
DOG GOD
The thing that worries me more than anything is having to deal with dodo if a trade is to go ahead. He’s astute and bull headed as any list manager and ALWAYS stretches the simplest trades out to the last hour, putting pressure on the other team to bend over. I don’t hold much hope (even though we hold all the cards) that we would come out of this as a CLEAR winner.
Then it’s pretty simple. We don’t trade. We’re not forced to deal here. In fact we’d be doing everything we can not to do a trade and Dodo must give us the world for us to even consider it. They have ZERO leverage.
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26-10-2020, 09:20 AM
#459
Re: Trade Dunkley
Originally Posted by
bulldogsthru&thru
Then it’s pretty simple. We don’t trade. We’re not forced to deal here. In fact we’d be doing everything we can not to do a trade and Dodo must give us the world for us to even consider it. They have ZERO leverage.
Exactly, but until dunks himself comes out and says he’s staying a bulldog, the uncertainty will linger.
I will never see #16 the same!!
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26-10-2020, 09:24 AM
#460
Re: Trade Dunkley
Originally Posted by
DOG GOD
The thing that worries me more than anything is having to deal with dodo if a trade is to go ahead. He’s astute and bull headed as any list manager and ALWAYS stretches the simplest trades out to the last hour, putting pressure on the other team to bend over. I don’t hold much hope (even though we hold all the cards) that we would come out of this as a CLEAR winner.
I see it as a positive. Once a club flags their intent to acquire a contracted player then the onus is on them to get the deal done
Essendon didn't fold with the Swans about Daniher (bet they wish they did) and the contracted player stayed
Essendon folded with Dylan Smith because they felt like they had to pay overs to get a player who was committed to them
If we fold with Dunkley then we might as well put and open for business sign on all our young players so I'm still very confident that Dunks remains a Dog in 2021
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26-10-2020, 10:41 AM
#461
Re: Trade Dunkley
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Ricky Nixon linking us to Kyle -
God that would be funny - Bombers missing out on both Dunkleys
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26-10-2020, 10:46 AM
#462
Re: Trade Dunkley
Originally Posted by
Mofra
God that would be funny - Bombers missing out on both Dunkleys
It would be funnier if they end up with Kyle only.
Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.
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26-10-2020, 10:48 AM
#463
Re: Trade Dunkley
Originally Posted by
comrade
It would be funnier if they end up with Kyle only.
Why would it be funny? They rate him too and it is not just a thin attempt at emotional manipulation, they said so!
Another trade week success. Undefeated and undisputed.
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26-10-2020, 11:12 AM
#464
Re: Trade Dunkley
Wouldn't be surprised if they eventually have a go at Bevo.
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26-10-2020, 11:23 AM
#465
Re: Trade Dunkley
ESSENDON LAUNCH SURPRISING BID TO REUNITE DUNKLEY BROTHERS
ESSENDON has told Josh Dunkley it will re-draft his delisted brother Kyle as the sweetener to a blockbuster contract to lure him to Tullamarine.
The Bombers’ bold raid on the Western Bulldogs’ contracted star has been franked by a lucrative contract said to be worth around $650-700k a season for 4-5 years.
But the potential lifeline for younger brother Kyle, delisted last month by Melbourne, has also gone into a package that is tempting Josh, the Dogs’ 24-year-old premiership midfielder.
Josh and Kyle are the sons of former Sydney full-back Andrew Dunkley – and with professional netball sister Lara and mum Lisa – are a very tight-knit family.
Dunkley has not put in a trade request, but even if he does, the Bulldogs will refuse to deal a best-22 player who still has two years to run on a three-year contract signed only half-way through last season.
The Bombers’ approach is understood to have surprised the Dogs, but the club will have no hesitation blocking any forthcoming trade and are supremely confident Dunkley is not the sort of character to disrupt the playing group if he is made to stay and that he will knuckle back down for 2021.
Dunkley had an excellent 2019 campaign, finishing runner-up in the Dogs’ best and fairest, but a syndesmosis injury in June derailed his 2020 season.
Tom Liberatore’s re-emergence saw Dunkley shuffled down the midfielder order a bit and he was even asked to play ruck on occasion.
However, he is said not to be disgruntled at the Whitten Oval, where he is close mates with captain Marcus Bontempelli and certain to thrive again if he gets a clean run at next season.
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