Trade Dunkley

[divvydan]

Makes sense that you'd have a lot of leverage in the contract when you've just won the rising star award and playing every game in your debut season, including a GF.

[Bulldog Joe]

So who is NOT getting overpaid at Collingwood? That's who we should be targeting.

Well Mihocek was kept on rookie wages.

I think they have now resigned him, but he would definitely require significantly more.

[Mofra]

You know backup ruckman get $650/$700K right?

Treloar is a victim of that "team first" mentality that gets so many players caught out. He agreed to 'push money back' in his own deal to enable the pies to sign other players...Dayne Beams first amongst them. From what I understand, an extra year was offered when this was done and the short-term pay cut was significant (in the hundreds of thousands).

He is a top quality mid with undoubted leg speed, one elite skill (first handball receive player) and considerable x-factor. He kicks it pretty well despite some claims to the contrary.

Do we need him? Well - I worry that he isn't really *WHAT* we need...but he is a bloody good player. His weakness is that real commitment to two way running and I don't like the idea of him being in a midfield with Bont, J-Mac and Liber who don't exactly excel in that area...Smith has potential there at least.

I still think we need more grunt - which is why I don't mind the idea of Hannan coming in for Lloyd...I just think our flankers and wingers are a little bit 'pretty' these days and whilst I appreciate the overall 'talent' of our group, there is a big difference from being a talented player and a GOOD player. I have harped on about the premature retirement of Matty Boyd (2017 was ruined due to concussion but he was back playing good footy by the end of it) and Picken enough...but we need players like those two, like Clay Smith (though hopefully better by foot!), like the most obvious one, Dale Morris.

I worry that Richards will never become that type of committed player...that Dale wont, that Le Young wont, that Lloyd wont, that Schache wont...I worry that when things get tough we will have too many passengers on the bus and not enough with their feet in the mud pushing. I can see the attributes in so many of our players that caught the attention of our recruiters...but I wonder if we just have overlooked that one critical element that enabled Morris to tackle Franklin in the centre square on GF day. I wonder if Treloar has that - and if our pursuit of him (if that is what it is) is more associated with seeing a shiny new toy to seeing something that we really, really need.

I can't think of a single back-up ruckman on that kind of money, or near it. We all know Grundy's on $1m over 7 as a first ruck, and Lycett signed a $700k 4 year deal but he is also a first ruck. Maybe Nankervis would be the closest? He's Ben Hudson mk 2 and in 2020 at least was technically Soldo's back-up but he'll be the no 1 guy next year.

I like Treloar as a player now. And in 2021, 2022, probably 2023 - but do we really want to pay him $900k when he's a 31 and a 32 year old? 5 years at $900k is one of the biggest deals in the AFL.
We're screaming out for quality in the front half and a decent KPD. If we're going to spend money, retention + need are the first two areas I'd look at.

As for the other players you've mentioned - I'm off the Dale bandwagon whenever the pressure is up, Richards will never reach his potential as a front half role player with us (and still has currency), I can't see Schache playing much football with us (and I think Hannan is instantly best 22 for us as a deep forward).

Wallis does have some Clay Smith traits in the front half and Hannan helps, but if Clay Smith has a cousin I'd love to know about it.
Would we consider that ex-Footscray kid who had some serious grunt? We went close to grabbing him in the mini-draft. Kyle his first name is...

[Mofra]

So who is NOT getting overpaid at Collingwood? That's who we should be targeting.

JDG and Stephenson. Both inconsistent match winners. JDG has some serious issues over his head and Stephenson signed a $500k extension in his first season.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

I can't think of a single back-up ruckman on that kind of money, or near it. We all know Grundy's on $1m over 7 as a first ruck, and Lycett signed a $700k 4 year deal but he is also a first ruck. Maybe Nankervis would be the closest? He's Ben Hudson mk 2 and in 2020 at least was technically Soldo's back-up but he'll be the no 1 guy next year.

I like Treloar as a player now. And in 2021, 2022, probably 2023 - but do we really want to pay him $900k when he's a 31 and a 32 year old? 5 years at $900k is one of the biggest deals in the AFL.

It's a good point.

I guess the question is, how far do we think we are off genuinely contending? If we think we can win it in the next 1-3 years and that Treloar improves us significantly to do so, then I don't mind the risk.

I'd rather take a risk and fail than play it safe and fail.

It means we would need to try and trade in a KPD on the cheap or draft a ready made one from a state league, but if Treloar who is absolutely elite is available, then take the elite player now and work out another way to find a KPD. In all likelihood, we wouldn't attract a star KPD from another club anyway.

* Worth noting we didn't have elite KPDs in 2016 either. Morris, yes - but he played as the third tall behind Hamling and Roberts.

[bornadog]

It's a good point.

I guess the question is, how far do we think we are off genuinely contending? If we think we can win it in the next 1-3 years and that Treloar improves us significantly to do so, then I don't mind the risk.

I'd rather take a risk and fail than play it safe and fail.

It means we would need to try and trade in a KPD on the cheap or draft a ready made one from a state league, but if Treloar who is absolutely elite is available, then take the elite player now and work out another way to find a KPD. In all likelihood, we wouldn't attract a star KPD from another club anyway.

* Worth noting we didn't have elite KPDs in 2016 either. Morris, yes - but he played as the third tall behind Hamling and Roberts.

Time running out to get a KPD unless we are working on it now. Is AA from Sydney of interest? Apparently touring Port at the moment, so must be available.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Time running out to get a KPD unless we are working on it now. Is AA from Sydney of interest? Apparently touring Port at the moment, so must be available.

Id thought he provided the functional flexibility that Bevo craves - he can play back right and take a turn in the ruck?

[DOG GOD]

How much do you think we are considering the Dunkley 2x first rounders for NM pick 2?
Are we thinking of grabbing McDonald and moving Naughton back?
We keep hearing we need another KPD, but don’t we already have one playing fwd ?

[mjp]

I can't think of a single back-up ruckman on that kind of money, or near it.

Small list without using notes.

Preuss.
Cox.
Ceglar.
Ryder. Or Marshall - whoever you prefer.
Take your pick out of Bellchambers or the kid everyone loves at Essendon whose name I forget. (Yes, Bellchambers gone now).
Hickey.
Vardy.
McInerney
Ladhams. Or Lycett - whoever you prefer.
With more than 5 secs I could go on...but backup ruckman use up an extraordinary amount of cap space for a lot of clubs.

[SquirrelGrip]

Time running out to get a KPD unless we are working on it now.

Is KPD code for Kyle Percy Dunkley?

[comrade]

Small list without using notes.

Preuss.
Cox.
Ceglar.
Ryder. Or Marshall - whoever you prefer.
Take your pick out of Bellchambers or the kid everyone loves at Essendon whose name I forget. (Yes, Bellchambers gone now).
Hickey.
Vardy.
McInerney
Ladhams. Or Lycett - whoever you prefer.
With more than 5 secs I could go on...but backup ruckman use up an extraordinary amount of cap space for a lot of clubs.

Preuss (while at Melbourne), Ceglar, Hickey, Vardy and Ladhams are all on 600-700k?

Ryder at 32 was brought across with a late pick on 600k+?

If that is true, that's amazing.

McInernany I can believe as he is more versatile, and Lycett definitely because he is the main man.

[Jeanette54]

Story is that Treloar is to meet with the 'doggies", but this trade could only happen with a) an enticing pick (probably from Dunks trade), or b) Us taking on far more of Adam's contract salary.

Personally, unless AT is an absolute give away, I would rather have Josh.

[mjp]

If that is true, that's amazing.

Ruckman do ok, don't worry about that. It is why stashing one on the rookie list is so attractive for clubs...

[ledge]

Story is that Treloar is to meet with the 'doggies", but this trade could only happen with a) an enticing pick (probably from Dunks trade), or b) Us taking on far more of Adam's contract salary.

Personally, unless AT is an absolute give away, I would rather have Josh.

How good would it be if we had both

[Ghost Dog]

Two Essendon supporters sitting on a bench

"I haven’t noticed Dunkley any time we’ve played Bulldogs."

"Probably because we have laid down for them the past 2 times we have played them."

Thanks Bomber's blitz and they are spying on us too...

"Dogs forum accepting nothing other then he is only making this decision based on money and that alone. They not happy. haha and nothing has actually even happened. May just fizzle out."
that's right, talking about you centipede2