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    Re: 2020 Player movement

    Not sure who these people are

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    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Not sure who these people are

    Sam Power , make this happen, whatever it takes !
    He is a beast, natural footballer and can play in the ruck. He just needs to get his body right and protect his knees .

    He will give English a chop out for 5-10 mins each half and let Bruce Ruck the gaps . Mason cox only kicks goals in prelim and teams with leaky defenses who are 1 tall defender short like us . He is poor reader of the ball and poor defensively .

    The pies know what they won’t get with cox and his limited upside . Which games has he actually performed positively in the ruck ?

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    I really enjoyed this comparing Treloar and Caldwell:

    https://breakinglines.substack.com/p/a-losing-equation
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    Man oh man - apparently Collingwood are concerned that Treloar would struggle to be an elite footballer if not with his partner and child and that's driving their decision to jettison him from the club unceremoniously.

    Additionally, Chuckles McClure has mainlined highly concentrated Kool Aid and is on board as Acolyte in Chief for the evening's proceedings! Gotta love the power of the big clubs over the media.

    https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...27-p5695b.html
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    I believe O'Halloran has recommitted to the Giants so we won't be a player to trade for him
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    Man oh man - apparently Collingwood are concerned that Treloar would struggle to be an elite footballer if not with his partner and child and that's driving their decision to jettison him from the club unceremoniously.

    Additionally, Chuckles McClure has mainlined highly concentrated Kool Aid and is on board as Acolyte in Chief for the evening's proceedings! Gotta love the power of the big clubs over the media.

    https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...27-p5695b.html
    That's astounding. Especially for a young man who has spoken openly about having mental health issues - you can't sit down with him as a boss and tell him how you think he's feeling!

    It's one thing to be concerned about how he will cope with his partner being interstate, but surely you just implement strategies, increase your awareness and welfare checks, encourage him to move in with another player for the year...so many options before you kick him out the door. Their attitude stinks of 'we can't afford him and we need an excuse'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjp View Post
    I really enjoyed this comparing Treloar and Caldwell:

    https://breakinglines.substack.com/p/a-losing-equation
    It’s interesting. The concept of paying for past performance has been well known in baseball, where players come through the minors, are under team control on cost controlled contracts until their late 20’s / early 30’s and then often hit big free agent deals just after they’ve peaked. Players are starting to come through younger but the manipulation of service time by teams to keep players under control for extra years is an open secret. The structural differences in the 2 sports pathways makes it difficult to find equivalency in that sense.

    It’s why I thought the dollars for Tom Boyd was smart in a sense, although it turned out to be the right play for the wrong player (Grand Final notwithstanding). Paying a young guy top dollar when he’s actually likely to be elite is smarter than paying for a player for past elite performance, although comes with an equivalent risk as Tom Boyd showed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    Man oh man - apparently Collingwood are concerned that Treloar would struggle to be an elite footballer if not with his partner and child and that's driving their decision to jettison him from the club unceremoniously.

    Additionally, Chuckles McClure has mainlined highly concentrated Kool Aid and is on board as Acolyte in Chief for the evening's proceedings! Gotta love the power of the big clubs over the media.

    https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...27-p5695b.html
    So they're sacking him and his backended contract for his own good. Another big tick for the benevolent Collingwood Football Club.
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    That Esava news is a bummer. He's really not any good.

    We need someone to target who English splits with 70-30, not the other way around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Underdog View Post
    It’s interesting. The concept of paying for past performance has been well known in baseball, where players come through the minors, are under team control on cost controlled contracts until their late 20’s / early 30’s and then often hit big free agent deals just after they’ve peaked. Players are starting to come through younger but the manipulation of service time by teams to keep players under control for extra years is an open secret. The structural differences in the 2 sports pathways makes it difficult to find equivalency in that sense.

    It’s why I thought the dollars for Tom Boyd was smart in a sense, although it turned out to be the right play for the wrong player (Grand Final notwithstanding). Paying a young guy top dollar when he’s actually likely to be elite is smarter than paying for a player for past elite performance, although comes with an equivalent risk as Tom Boyd showed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Days View Post
    So they're sacking him and his backended contract for his own good. Another big tick for the benevolent Collingwood Football Club.
    With a reported offer to pay $200k pa to any club that takes him.
    It's an absolute mess all round - don't forget this isn't a guy who was drafted and developed by Collingwood, they chased him (hard).

    He in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation now. If he stays the Pies likely lose Phillips and another 'mid-tier' player (they lost Aish last year), if he goes he's been desperately pushed out the door for signing a contract the Pies offered him.... and let's not forget Collingwood need to settle the ridiculous Dayne Beams deal too which goes to 2022!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grantysghost View Post
    I'm sure we could find some little losers to give her an escort.
    Maybe Alex Rance could give her an escort?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofra View Post
    With a reported offer to pay $200k pa to any club that takes him.
    It's an absolute mess all round - don't forget this isn't a guy who was drafted and developed by Collingwood, they chased him (hard).

    He in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation now. If he stays the Pies likely lose Phillips and another 'mid-tier' player (they lost Aish last year), if he goes he's been desperately pushed out the door for signing a contract the Pies offered him.... and let's not forget Collingwood need to settle the ridiculous Dayne Beams deal too which goes to 2022!
    The Dayne Beams one was always stupid.

    They didn't even need him, it was a waste of time and that's without acknowledging he had some big challenges to overcome outside of footy.

    They're paying for it hard now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bulldogs Bite View Post
    The Dayne Beams one was always stupid.

    They didn't even need him, it was a waste of time and that's without acknowledging he had some big challenges to overcome outside of footy.

    They're paying for it hard now.
    Pies have really stuffed up list management
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    Re: 2020 Player movement

    LIONS VETERAN SET FOR ANOTHER YEAR

    Stefan Martin is still expected to remain at Brisbane next year despite the club citing uncertainty about list sizes over their inability to offer him a new contract.

    Martin would be in perhaps his final year if he did re-sign and could even do so as a rookie after a season marred by a back stress fracture.

    The Dogs don’t seem to be interested in him or Mason Cox, despite Luke Beveridge suggesting they might look for a back-up ruckman for Tim English.

    Cox will remain at the Collingwood, with no rival clubs contacting his management and the Pies giving absolutely no inclination that they want to lose him.

    He is on a solid deal of around $500,000 next year but the Pies are out to bring in key-forwards, not lose them.

    On the Dogs, Jackson Trengove comes off a hefty three-year free agency deal but he might still remain at the club.

    If the the club want a solid back-up ruck, who can play forward and back, he is the man - and he‘s right there under their noses.

    Trengove received a lucrative contract when he crossed from Port Adelaide so he would need to take a significant pay cut but still has solid footy left in him.

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