2020 Player movement

[Twodogs]

We'd be insane to hand over a first round draft pick of any type for Goldstein. He's is 32. If we've made bad trades in the past few years then you don't fix it by overpaying for a 32 year old ruckman. Ruckmen fall over the edge all of a sudden. Look at Minson.

Stay the course with English.

[josie]

If I had inside info do you reckon I would be wrong so often?

Ha ha. Thx for reply.

[Dry Rot]

We'd be insane to hand over a first round draft pick of any type for Goldstein. He's is 32. If we've made bad trades in the past few years then you don't fix it by overpaying for a 32 year old ruckman. Ruckmen fall over the edge all of a sudden. Look at Minson.

Stay the course with English.

What did Saints pay for Ryder?

[josie]

We'd be insane to hand over a first round draft pick of any type for Goldstein. He's is 32. If we've made bad trades in the past few years then you don't fix it by overpaying for a 32 year old ruckman. Ruckmen fall over the edge all of a sudden. Look at Minson.

Stay the course with English.

I would like to think we do not part with a first round pick for a 32yo. However we can stay the course and keep Tim and give him more support. Look what Bucks did on weekend. And Ratten. Relief for their young or young and developing rucks.

I really like Bevo but I think he needs to rethink his approach to the ruck. And Grant and other senior folks at a Club should conduct a review too. We are not too far off but I fear we will be in a never ending “almost but never top 4, might make top 8 but not win more than 1 or maybe 2 finals” holding pattern. It is time for a few Qs to be asked about an approach that is not working - and hoping the AFL ceases with the no 3rd man up rule is not a sound plan.

[Grantysghost]

What did Saints pay for Ryder?

Was a package deal for he and Howard with some pick swaps. Essentially a pick in the teens.

Ryder and Howard have been traded to St Kilda in a deal that sees the Power receive picks 12 and 18 at November’s NAB AFL Draft along with the Saints’ future third round selection.

Port Adelaide will also send pick 10 and a future fourth-round selection to Moorabbin.

Edit: 12 and 18 for Ryder, Howard, and pick 10 and swap of third and fourth rounder means they either got Ryder or Howard for next to nothing? That's some decent trading. They went up 12 to 10, and swapped 18 for Howard and Ryder.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Was a package deal for he and Howard with some pick swaps. Essentially a pick in the teens.

Ryder and Howard have been traded to St Kilda in a deal that sees the Power receive picks 12 and 18 at November’s NAB AFL Draft along with the Saints’ future third round selection.

Port Adelaide will also send pick 10 and a future fourth-round selection to Moorabbin.

Was 10 used for Hill?

[FrediKanoute]

We'd be insane to hand over a first round draft pick of any type for Goldstein. He's is 32. If we've made bad trades in the past few years then you don't fix it by overpaying for a 32 year old ruckman. Ruckmen fall over the edge all of a sudden. Look at Minson.

Stay the course with English.

I 100% agree. Goldy is NOT the answer. We lost because we didn't take our opportunities

[Dry Rot]

Was a package deal for he and Howard with some pick swaps. Essentially a pick in the teens.

Ryder and Howard have been traded to St Kilda in a deal that sees the Power receive picks 12 and 18 at November’s NAB AFL Draft along with the Saints’ future third round selection.

Port Adelaide will also send pick 10 and a future fourth-round selection to Moorabbin.

Thanks.

I wanted us to get Howard FWIW.

[Grantysghost]

Was 10 used for Hill?

Yes with Blake Acres and some pick swaps.

[bornadog]

I 100% agree. Goldy is NOT the answer. We lost because we didn't take our opportunities

This 100%

[macca]

I 100% agree. Goldy is NOT the answer. We lost because we didn't take our opportunities

We got outmuscled by gws in 2019 in the ruck
We got done by saints this year in the ruck

Goldy or not we need a ruckman that is just as good or better to help out Tim.

In 2016 we had Boyd and Roughead , and they were Phenomenal in the finals

Coaches don’t be stubborn ... there is a glaring GAP, come finals time oppositions drive a truck through it !

[azabob]

We'd be insane to hand over a first round draft pick of any type for Goldstein. He's is 32. If we've made bad trades in the past few years then you don't fix it by overpaying for a 32 year old ruckman. Ruckmen fall over the edge all of a sudden. Look at Minson.

Stay the course with English.

Other than getting Templeton back for 2021 what is your ruck strategy for 2021 & 2022?

[bornadog]

We got outmuscled by gws in 2019 in the ruck
We got done by saints this year in the ruck

Goldy or not we need a ruckman that is just as good or better to help out Tim.

In 2016 we had Boyd and Roughead , and they were Phenomenal in the finals

Coaches don’t be stubborn ... there is a glaring GAP, come finals time oppositions drive a truck through it !

2016

West Coast Final - WC 52 to 30

Hawks Final 52 to 35

GC prelim 58 to 40

GF 42 to 40

So we basically got smashed in the Finals except the GF. Swans hardly had the greatest ruckman playing in Naismith and Tippett.

Just proves, rucks are over rated.

[comrade]

Just proves, rucks are over rated.

No it doesn't.

[GVGjr]

No it doesn't.

Agreed, our midfield results could be improved with a better ruck combination