List Management for 2020/21

[Bulldog Joe]

Thanks BT, we did miss you on the forum - especially for stuff like this.

Do we count Rookies? I guess not.

We only have three uncontracted players now:

Cavarra, Duryea and Hayes.

Maybe we delist and then relist the guys we want to keep, or switch them to rookie list.

I really can't understand why Hayes wasn't added to the lot announced.

Some seem to think Cavarra offers something, but I don't see it. As mature agers the really needed to make an immediate impact and in my view they have not done enough.

Much better to look at untried who could have upside, than retain guys who are depth at best.

[bornadog]

I really can't understand why Hayes wasn't added to the lot announced.

Some seem to think Cavarra offers something, but I don't see it. As mature agers the really needed to make an immediate impact and in my view they have not done enough.

Much better to look at untried who could have upside, than retain guys who are depth at best.

I would only keep Duryea, as we need some maturity in the backline, and it seems he directs it when he is in there.

[G-Mo77]

I'd only keep Cavara out of those 3 even after the delistings today.

[Doc26]

I'd only keep Cavara out of those 3 even after the delistings today.

I'd be keeping Cavarra and Duryea.

Actually I'm not sure why there's not more support for Duryea on the forum. Aside from his misfortune with injuries this year, I see him as a pretty solid player for us.

Cavarra I just don't see that he's had a fair run at it yet, again with injuries halting his opportunities. With that said, 2021 would be his last year to impress.

Hayes, might be cheap insurance but he's not AFL standard and for mine would be the one to move on.

[mjp]

Actually I'm not sure why there's not more support for Duryea on the forum. Aside from his misfortune with injuries this year, I see him as a pretty solid player for us.

Duryea is awesome. A defender who can defend. Excellent player!

[GVGjr]

I'd be keeping Cavarra and Duryea.

Actually I'm not sure why there's not more support for Duryea on the forum. Aside from his misfortune with injuries this year, I see him as a pretty solid player for us.

Cavarra I just don't see that he's had a fair run at it yet, again with injuries halting his opportunities. With that said, 2021 would be his last year to impress.

Hayes, might be cheap insurance but he's not AFL standard and for mine would be the one to move on.

Duryea is a very good player, not sure why more don't rate him

[Rocket Science]

Duryea is a very good player, not sure why more don't rate him

Suspect the coach agrees and he survives, not least of all because we've so few like him.

[whythelongface]

Duryea is a very good player, not sure why more don't rate him

Agree. Hadn’t even crossed my mind to delist him. Think his experience is important moving forward. In fact it wouldn’t surprise me if he was part of the reason for the significant improvement in Williams.

[josie]

IMO Cavarra has hardly had opportunity at senior level. From what I’ve seen at vfl level & considering our dearth of small forwards he either should have got more opportunities or should have another year to prove it at senior level. I think he might do ok until hopefully Weightman steps up and/or we find a smart small forward to draft or steal from another club.

[FrediKanoute]

I would only keep Duryea, as we need some maturity in the backline, and it seems he directs it when he is in there.

Read somewhere that in the time Dureya has been with us he has managed just 16 games. He has been injured a lot!

[GVGjr]

Read somewhere that in the time Dureya has been with us he has managed just 16 games. He has been injured a lot!

It's actually 17 but just 3 this year. Averaged 19 possessions a game in 2019

[1eyedog]

Duryea is a very good player, not sure why more don't rate him

Tendency to go to ground.

[Bulldog Joe]

I also rate Duryea and would like to keep him around, but his injury record does not augur well.

List spots are a premium so I think we need to delist, with perhaps redrafting or a rookie spot if he remains available.

I would do the same with Sam Lloyd and hope someone else picks him up. Giving him a rookie spot is all I would offer to Lloyd to meet his contract.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

We need to use all five 5 picks worth of points. That means we need to have 5 vacancies on the list. Say we only take 4 picks with 4 vacancies. Then we forfeit all the draft points on the 5th pick. It's not so much about drafting, it's about being permitted to use the points as to avoid a 2021 deficit.

We can re-draft or elevate rookies if we wanted. But we need the picks.

Does this change things BT?


https://www.afl.com.au/news/524802/s...aft-rule-tweak

SYDNEY, Collingwood, Port Adelaide and the Western Bulldogs are among the clubs who have been given a boost by a rule change on the eve of the NAB AFL Draft.

Clubs have been informed that a significant change has been applied to this year's bidding system in light of the reduction in list sizes and the trading of future picks last year.


Under normal AFL rules, clubs who are matching bids for northern Academy, Next Generation Academy and father-son players are only allowed to use draft points from the amount of picks that is equal to the number of their available list spots.

This has been to stop clubs from stockpiling late draft picks with the intention of only using them to pay for highly rated draftees, even if they had more picks at the draft than they had list spots available, which was an early loophole of the live bidding system.

But clubs will not be bound by that rule at next month's national draft after the League gave clearance for clubs to use points from draft picks even if they are not going to use the selections to draft players.

In essence it means that the Swans, who will be forced to match bids for Academy pair Braeden Campbell and Errol Gulden, could theoretically take six picks to the draft but only pick up three players, but use the remaining selections for points purposes.

Although a subtle tweak, it is an important change in a draft year that is so heavily filtered with players already tied to clubs via Academies and under father-son links.

It will also benefit the Western Bulldogs, who have grabbed a number of extra selections to be able to pay for a possible No.1 matched bid for Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, as well as the Power, who hold six picks and have ties to NGA talent Lachie Jones and father-son Taj Schofield.


Where in previous years the Power would have only been able to use points from the picks commensurate to how many list spots the club had available, this year they could essentially grab their two linked players and use the rest of their draft hand to help cover the points cost.

The Magpies, with speedy tall midfielder Reef McInnes, and Hawthorn, with line-breaker Connor Downie, are other clubs with Academy ties who will be waiting to see where bids fall, while Fremantle (Joel Western, Brandon Walker), Brisbane (Blake Coleman, Carter Michael) and Essendon (Cody Brand, Josh Eyre) are others clubs who also have their eyes on Academy players.

The AFL will revert to its usual rule next year, having allowed the clubs a one-off change given some had prepared for matching bids by already trading out future selections during last year's exchange period.

It informed clubs last week that lists will be cut to a minimum of 37 players and a maximum of 44 players, inclusive of rookies (category A and B)

[Mofra]

The list spot rule helps us a lot. Duryea is a no-brainer for another year, he's our only small defender that can actually lock down an opponent.
I'd give Cav one more year - there is something to be said for having someone on the list who has had to spend years fighting and scrapping for their chance at AFL level. Still think Hannan will be the closest thing to a small forward we play regularly during the year.

I still don't quite see it with Hayes and hopefully VDM builds his tank to take wing rotations in 2021.