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    List Management for 2020/21

    There is still some speculation that clubs will need to get down to 38 players for the 2021 season
    This will mean that we will have to trim the list to 34 players to allow for the minimum 3 players you need to bring in via the draft and say one free agent signing. For every extra player you want to bring in another one has to either be traded or delisted

    Likely departures
    Matthew Suckling - Has expressed some interest to trying out for punters role in American Football and there is no question he is a sensational kick. On form he could be kept for another season but I'll park him as a likely departure for the time being

    Jackson Trengove - Out of contract and out of favor with the MC isn't a good combination to get another season. His non selection this year doesn't sit well with me.

    Buku Khamis - Promising young defender and the only reason he lands here is because of the reduced list size
    I'd do what I could to get him to Footscray

    Ben Cavarra - 3 games in two years might not be enough to maintain Cav on the list. I'd like to keep him but if the reduced list size happens he would be a consideration to be de-listed

    Billy Gowers - I suspect there will be a tear in the eye of Bevo if it's up to him to deliver the news to Billy. 39 goals form 33 games highlights he has some claims to be maintained but just 3 games in 2020 won't help his cause.

    Callum Porter - A late pick in the 2017 draft and has had 3 years on the playing list for just one senior game. From all accounts a great club man but I just can't find the point of difference with him to keep him on the list

    Tory Dickson - A wonderful player for the Dogs since he arrived at the club after being drafted in 2011. Injuries have caught up with him and you have to think 2020 is his last year with us

    Brad Lynch - An interesting journey since he arrived at the club as a skinny rookie in the 2015 draft. In his 5 years he has filled out nicely but he hasn't been able to crack it for a senior game for 2 years now.

    Roarke Smith - A fan and MC favourite who has had more than his share of injuries. Drafted as a rookie in 2014 Smith has worked very hard for 19 senior games and the reduced list size comes at the wrong time for Smith

    That's 9 players as likely departures and gets the list size down to 36


    Under the microscope

    Fergus Greene - A super promising player but constant injuries and a list jam packed with mid sized forwards might be problematic for Greene. Should be given another year and must make the most of any chances he gets for the balance of the season

    Will Hayes - Promising year in 2019 but 2020 hasn't been as kind. I think he should be maintained but unless he performs well for the balance of the season it could be a line ball decision at the end of the season

    Lachie Young - I suspect Lachie Young will be on our senior list in 2021 but as far as I know he hasn't been resigned yet so he will have a nervous wait. I wonder where we see his future with us because after a good year as a defender in 2019 he's been tried in some other positions this year.

    Lin Jong - A real favourite for the Dogs supporters Jong has delighted and frustrated many over the years.
    64 senior games since being drafted as a rookie in 2011. His 3 games this year were pretty good but another lengthy injury might be considered when we stare into the more difficult list management decisions.

    Dropping 2 players for this list gets us down to 34 players


    Less likely to be dropped but...

    Taylor Duryea
    and Ryan Gardner

    Both of them are coming out of contract but I think are very much in the MC plans for 2021

    Lets assume they both stay

    Could we do the unthinkable?

    Easton Wood - He's had a decent year in 2020 and as Jeemak can confirm I've made my thoughts about Wood's lack of form for a few years now. I know he hoisted the premiership cup for us but if we are about to embark on a rebuild by stealth is there still room for the popular Easton Wood? The most likely scenario is 12 month contracts for Wood but we are just as likely to lock him in for 2 years.

    Trade currency speculation

    Lewis Young - Has struggled to establish himself as a senior player since debuting in 2017. I would imagine the Crows might look towards bringing Young back home to SA and with another year to go on his contract perhaps a trade would be considered.

    Josh Schache - An immensely talented but laconic player, Schache seems to have fallen out of favor with the MC this year especially given the arrival of Josh Bruce. I think he has some trade currency and we might just look to move him out of the kennel if a decent offer is presented

    With the Dogs looking for draft points perhaps we would be in interested in a decent offers

    I'll try and frequently update this
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    Re: List Management for 2020/21

    Gowers, Trengove, Lynch, Porter and Dickson are definite outs for mine.
    I will never see #16 the same!!

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    Re: List Management for 2020/21

    How we finish the season will have some bearing on our list management decisions. There are still 3 important games to go and the opportunity for us to win them all and possibly still make the finals. Failure to make the finals this year should result in a forensic examination of our list as it will mean we have not made finals in 3 of the past 4 years. In 2019 when we made the finals we were dumped without much of a whimper in the first week. That is enough evidence for me to suggest our list needs bolstering with midfielders and forwards needed.

    The decision on what happens to list sizes and salary cap will obviously have a bearing on what we can/can't do as well.



    Uncontracted in 2020 (as per Axeman's Player Contract Status Thread)

    Senior List

    Easton Wood, Billy Gowers, Fergus Greene, Jackson Trengove, Taylor Duryea, Lin Jong, Brad Lynch, Ben Cavarra, Will Hayes, Callum Porter, Tory Dickson, Matt Suckling

    Rookie List

    Lachie Young, Jordan Sweet, Roarke Smith, Ryan Gardner, Buku Khamis


    Keep - Wood & Duryea

    Both premiership players with a wealth of experience and arguably the best 2 players on the uncontracted list. Offer them a 12 month extension

    Rookies Keep

    Lachie Young, Sweet, Khamis

    Hold pending trades & List size decision - Greene, Trengove, Jong, Cavarra, Hayes, Gardner

    Hayes & Gardner are in the senior team at the time of writing this so they have an advantage in promoting their cause to a contract renewal. The others face a bigger battle. All of them however have not secured a place in the senior team for one reason or another and have been in and out or long term injured.

    I would like us to be aggressive in the trade period and look to bring in players who can address our needs better than these guys can. I am yet to be sold on any of them as key contributors going forward.

    Retire - Suckling & Dickson

    Father Time is calling

    Delist - Gowers, Lynch, Porter, Smith

    They have been around long enough and I can't see them making it.


    Contracted Trade Bait

    Bailey Dale, Pat Lipinski, Ed Richards, Toby McLean

    I doubt any of them will be traded but I would be listening to any offers and if something of value that helps us secure a player of need comes up we should consider it.

    Schache has his detractors but I would like to keep him. Like the 4 above he is good on his day but mostly frustrating. The difference is he is a KP forward and they don't grow on trees. I would persevere for a bit longer. Same goes for Lewis Young.


    Trade Targets

    Do we have the kahuna's to make a bold play this year? What about having a crack at;

    Free Agents

    Zac Williams (GWS) he will be 26 in 2021 with just over 100 games. Brings speed, decisive kicking and versatility. He's expensive but he's ideal for us.

    Jack Viney (Melb) also 26 next year with 130 games. Brings grunt to a midfield that lacks it. Our beltings in recent times have come when our midfield has meekly rolled over.

    Out of Contract

    Toby Nankervis (Rich) also 26 next year with 70 odd games. He's a two time premiership ruckman. He would also be my priority. In fact I would be selling him the number 1 ruck role. English needs help and time. Bevo has to stop this pig headedness and address the ruck malaise asa matter of urgency.

    Tom Papley (Swans) 24 yo approaching 100 games. one of the best small forwards in the game. Why wouldn't we want him?

    Out of Contract Boom/Bust Bargains

    Cedric Cox (Bris) He's a 23yo winger/forward we were linked heavily with him in his draft year. Can't get a game.

    Nakia Cockatoo (Geel) Exciting but perenially injured 24yo who might like a change of scenery?


    Football Dept - Neil Balme, his record speaks for itself. He would make a difference.
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    Re: List Management for 2020/21

    I'm a big wrap for Ainsworth from Suns in that small forward role. He was very good against North on the weekend. Might take a bit to pry him out though. He played half forward more in that game and he kicks well.

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    Re: List Management for 2020/21

    The Doctor - great analysis. You have 5 delisted or retired from main list. Is this enough? Does Sweet and La Young stay as rookies?

    From contracts expiring in 2020, I think in danger are Trengove, Greene, and maybe Hayes.
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    Re: List Management for 2020/21

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    The Doctor - great analysis. You have 5 delisted or retired from main list. Is this enough? Does Sweet and La Young stay as rookies?

    From contracts expiring in 2020, I think in danger are Trengove, Greene, and maybe Hayes.
    The variables for delisting come from the 'Hold pending trades/list size' section and/or trading of contracted players section.

    I wouldn't want to go into this draft with too many picks. The more trade or free agency acquisitions the deeper we cut.

    Ive added in Sweet & Young.
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    Re: List Management for 2020/21

    Hayes is a keeper for mine. We saw how much we struggled without Hunter and his elite tank when he was out suspended. Hayes has similar attributes, albeit still the unfinished article. Ditto Richards. Wingmen who can run all day - deep to help out the defence and forward to link up in our attacking chains - are worth their weight in gold in the modern game, and we don't really have others on the list who can perform this specialist role apart from these 3.

    I think Wood needs to transform his game into being our key defensive stopper - he has already started this in the last few weeks with some success. Morris played on the most dangerous talls or smalls and we need Wood to convert his game into a similar role. We have enough rebounders and interceptors in D50.
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    Re: List Management for 2020/21

    Quote Originally Posted by Sedat View Post
    Hayes is a keeper for mine. We saw how much we struggled without Hunter and his elite tank when he was out suspended. Hayes has similar attributes, albeit still the unfinished article. Ditto Richards. Wingmen who can run all day - deep to help out the defence and forward to link up in our attacking chains - are worth their weight in gold in the modern game, and we don't really have others on the list who can perform this specialist role apart from these 3.
    If we were to bring in Zac Williams or Rory Atkins would you still hold this view?
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    Re: List Management for 2020/21

    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    If we were to bring in Zac Williams or Rory Atkins would you still hold this view?
    I'm not a Rory Atkins fan at all. I don't think he is an upgrade on Hayes or Richards, both of whom have more scope for improvement IMO.

    I am 100% chips in on Zac Williams. I rate him massively as an exceptional deliverer by foot rebounding from D50 and also as a key part of our midfield rotations, both inside and outside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sedat View Post
    I'm not a Rory Atkins fan at all. I don't think he is an upgrade on Hayes or Richards, both of whom have more scope for improvement IMO.

    I am 100% chips in on Zac Williams. I rate him massively as an exceptional deliverer by foot rebounding from D50 and also as a key part of our midfield rotations, both inside and outside.
    Do we have the cap space?

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    Re: List Management for 2020/21

    Regardless if we make finals or not, we need to continue to cut deep into our list. For the players I am saying to resign we should only do so for 12 months. My reason behind this is we purely the interruption to the lower grades and the under 18 games and the lack of exposed form.

    Keeping with the theme that list sizes will be 38 and we need to add three via the draft / rookie list upgrades I believe we should make the following changes.
    I do wonder if three new players will need to be added with reduction of list sizes.

    Based of Axeman super awesome and often forgotten Contract thread

    Must Re-sign –Easton Wood, Taylor Duryea, Will Hayes, Lin Jong, Matt Suckling
    Not fussed – Jordan Sweet, Ben Cavarra, Ryan Gardner, Lachie Young
    Would like to keep but unlikely – Jackson Trengove and Buku Khamis
    Delist – Sam Lloyd (payout contract), Tory Dickson, Billy Gowers, Brad Lynch, Cal Porter, Roarke Smith, Fergus Greene,

    Jordan Sweet is obviously a must sign but I’m not sure of the point, clearly, we don’t intend on ever playing him. We need to bring in another readymade ruckman.

    Jackson Trengove from the outside looking in provides leadership, is well liked and respected within the playing group but clearly isn’t in the MC plans.

    Sam Lloyd not sure how’d we do it but I truly don’t see the point keeping him on our list, I’d prefer to keep Cavarra, Greene or Khamis

    Contracted Trade Bait

    Bailey Dale, Pat Lipinski, Toby McLean, Cody Weightman

    With Cody Weightman I am likely to be throwing the baby out with the bathwater but if his name was brought up in trade discussions for a player of need we should listen.


    Trade Targets

    Contracted

    Ian Hill (GWS) Contracted till 2022 but has zip and flair. Is in and out of their team. I think he might’ve actually be a decoy long term signing to allow them to bring in more talent or high draft picks.

    Out of Contract

    Toby Nankervis (Rich) Ready made number 1 ruck.

    Brennan Cox (Fre) He's a 22yo key defender who is clearly able to play at this level but may be pushed out once a few Fremantle mainstays return from injury.

    Josh Dacois (Coll) Small forward who knows how to kick a goal, we need one. Yes it is the longest of long shots, but you don’t know unless you ask. He'd be well down the pay scale.

    Brandon Parfitt (Gee) Likely to stay but we should be asking the question. Hard at it forward / midfielder who likes to tackle
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    Wow ! Bit tough on weightman
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    Re: List Management for 2020/21

    Good list Aza,

    Just on Trengove, with a reduced list size in 2021 and given we wouldn't play him this year I can't see why Bevo and the MC would consider him for next year. I get your logic though


    Unless we drop some defenders if a list reduction occurs we will really be overstocked for back man. You have cleared out a heap of mid sized forwards

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    Re: List Management for 2020/21

    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    The variables for delisting come from the 'Hold pending trades/list size' section and/or trading of contracted players section.

    I wouldn't want to go into this draft with too many picks. The more trade or free agency acquisitions the deeper we cut.

    Ive added in Sweet & Young.
    Don't we need plenty of picks to have the points for JUH plus Raak and maybe MacPherson.
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